Wedding Hells Appendix II–History Exam

22 Jun

I think that downloading the book from Kindle for a second time would give you the updated version, but I’ll push Amazon this afternoon.

History Exam: A History Of Whitehall

Student Name: Frieda, Daughter of Huckeba

Year: 2nd

Class: History of Magic

Assignment: detail, as best as you are able, the founding of Whitehall School, with reference to both the primary and secondary sources.

The problem with writing any sort of history of Whitehall School is that the principle sources are often in disagreement over even the slightest matters. Life of Whitehall, for example, asserts that Lord Whitehall was the sole founder of the school, with only a handful of others glimpsed, like shadows, through the pages of the work. A History of Magical Schooling, however, states that there were at least five masters who collectively founded Whitehall School; Times Whitehall, written by Bernard De Born, insists that Whitehall was assisted by two others, but he was still the principle founder of the school. Life of Bernard, although not a primary source for the period, states that Bernard was Whitehall’s apprentice and later successor as Grandmaster. He would not want to slur his master in print!

Complicating matters is the simple fact that both Life of Whitehall and Life of Bernard were written in hindsight. The author, who wrote a number of Lives, often gives the subject of his works a central role, stating they were marked out for greatness from a very early age. Bernard, in particular, is considered Whitehall’s designated heir right from the start, if one goes by Life of Bernard, but Times Whitehall gives its writer much less attention. Indeed, Life of Whitehall has Bernard as one of the shadowy figures, while Life of Bernard brings Bernard out, front and centre.

Secondary sources are, if anything, rather more confused. Faerie Tales draws heavily on Times Whitehall, but adds Lord Chamber and Lord Rufus, both of whom are not mentioned elsewhere. Mountaintop discusses the similarities between Whitehall and Mountaintop, yet it makes reference to a number of works that have clearly not survived the ages. Indeed, Castles Codex makes it clear that Whitehall Castle was in existence long before the school itself, while the records in Dragon’s Den insist that the town is only a ‘mere’ three hundred years old. The writer of Castles Codex makes a number of references to other works on the castle and school, but again they have not survived. Finally, the Lay of Lord Alfred is a fictionalised version of the tale, yet it is hard to take it seriously. Alfred, portrayed as a wise old man, is depicted as the power behind the throne, very much the Grand Vizier, while Lord Whitehall is a good-hearted fool. This alone would not be enough to discredit the work, but the Lay makes reference to magics that are well beyond anything else known to be possible, then or ever. Alfred might have been capable of fooling mundanes into believing he could pluck the moon from the sky, yet how could he have hoped to deceive his fellow magicians?

Therefore, try as we might, we are left with few facts about the early years of Whitehall School. We are even left guessing as to the exact date. Life of Whitehall claims that the school was founded seven hundred years ago; Mountaintop asserts that Whitehall is a bare hundred years older than Mountaintop, which would imply an age of four hundred years. Castles Codex states that the building itself is over a thousand years old, but does not say when it became a school.

It is clear, it seems, that Whitehall Castle was established several hundred years prior to the school and later abandoned, for reasons unknown. The builders of the castle remain unknown – even Castles Codex doesn’t offer speculation, beyond the observation that a number of other castles were established around the same time. One story, repeated as fact in the Lay of Lord Alfred, claims that the builders disturbed something nasty sleeping below the school and had to leave in a hurry. An alternate explanation was that their attempts to harness the nexus point under Whitehall failed, triggering an outflow of raw magic that killed or transfigured everyone in the castle. (Given that most period sources report monsters infesting the region around the castle, the second explanation seems quite likely.) All that really matters is that the castle had been abandoned for quite some time before the Whitehall Commune arrived.

Oddly, most of the primary sources agree on the composition of the Whitehall Commune. In the days before proper schooling, a couple of masters would band together and take on a number of apprentices, who in turn would be followed by a handful of camp followers. These apprentices, always male (women were not taught magic in those days), would eventually take on apprentices of their own, after separating from their masters. The Whitehall Commune, however, was odd in that it had only five (or seven, depending on which source we believe) masters and over fifty apprentices (and a small army of camp followers). Life of Whitehall states that Whitehall took in a number of apprentices after their masters were killed and, in the absence of any other evidence, it seems plausible.

Whitehall himself is something of an enigma. He is reputed to have concluded a brilliant apprenticeship in his youth with a figure known as Myrddin the Sane, but frustratingly little else is known of this person or Whitehall’s early life. Life of Whitehall skips over so much detail that his earliest true appearance is his early forties, as leader of the commune. Just how he rose to that point and how many apprentices he accepted, save for Bernard De Born, is lost to time. The only other point known about him, from other sources, is that he was a strong opponent of the DemonMasters and a firm believer that the Black Arts should be unceremoniously banned for the good of all.

Whitehall was, apparently, the key figure in making the decision to head to Whitehall Castle (quite what the castle was known before then has also been lost to time) and did so under quite some opposition. The Lay of Lord Alfred, however, insists that Whitehall had to be talked into moving to Whitehall and taking the deserted castle for his own.

At this point, another mysterious figure enters the picture. The Dark Lady is mentioned in Times Whitehall and Life of Bernard, but is completely absent from both Life of Whitehall and Lay of Lord Alfred. Indeed, some researchers believe her to be mythical. So much about her is uncertain that it is impossible to say anything for sure. Times Whitehall states that she was Whitehall’s apprentice, the first female apprentice known to recorded history, while Life of Bernard insists that she was a fully-trained magician when the commune discovered her at the castle. If so, who trained her? She does appear in several stories passed down the years, mainly as Whitehall’s wife or love interest, but this doesn’t explain why she was schooled in magic. Female magicians, at the time, were expected to have as many children as possible, not spend their days studying magic.

It is generally agreed that Whitehall and his followers entered the castle and took control of the nexus point, giving birth to the Warden. What happened next, which was truly revolutionary, was the development of an actual school. Instead of very limited occupational training, they were given a wide range of lessons, studying the different branches of magic known to exist. This led, very quickly, to the development of early alchemy, attempts to tap the magical properties of the natural world. All sources agree that alchemy was developed at Whitehall; Life of Whitehall credits Whitehall himself with the discovery.

At this point, there was a major dispute within the larger magical community, such as it was in those days. Details are quite scarce. The only point that all of the sources agree upon is that a number of masters, probably including several DemonMasters, believed that Whitehall would create a patronage network of magicians that would rapidly eclipse the previous master-apprenticeship relationships. Life of Bernard, in the meanwhile, asserts that Bernard himself was targeted by envious rivals (notably, this claim is not repeated in Times Whitehall) who feared his growing power. Lay of Lord Alfred speaks ominously of dissent within the castle and several members of the commune who, if they did not turn against Whitehall, stood aside when the castle itself came under attack. Times Whitehall does add the suggestion that the attackers were motivated by misogyny, although, as Bernard was seemingly quite taken with the Dark Lady, it is unclear how reliable this statement actually is.

What is clear is that the castle came under attack and Whitehall defeated them. Precisely how he did this is lost to time; Times Whitehall asserts that he used the wards, far more powerful than any previously raised by human hands, to drive out the attackers. Life of Whitehall claims the attackers were all turned into pigs, which were then eaten at dinner, but such gruesome details are hopefully inaccurate.

Whitehall died shortly afterwards and was succeeded by Bernard De Born, who became the first Grandmaster. Whitehall may or may not have allowed girls to study magic (it isn’t clear just when girls were first permitted to study at the school) but Bernard did allow female students, although their studies were restricted for at least a century after the original decision was made until Healers were able to prevent death in childbirth.

Bernard was determined, in honour of his master, to overcome the need to study the Black Arts and funded hundreds of research programs into strengthening magic. Times Whitehall specifically states that Bernard was responsible for discovering that cross-breeding long-standing magician bloodlines with wild magicians made them stronger (Life of Bernard claims that Bernard himself fathered at least a dozen children on five or six separate mothers) while the first true alchemists developed ways to boost magic, at least for short periods. Lay of Lord Alfred includes long and vague sections that may be a reference to necromancy, but the first true necromancers were not recorded until the Second Faerie War.

It is impossible, in conclusion, to say with any certainty just what happened during the founding and early history of Whitehall School. The dating controversy alone makes it hard to say who was alive at the time, while a number of documents dating back to the founding are either deliberately slanted, make reference to other documents that are now lost or discuss events that, frustratingly, would be common knowledge at the time. However, I believe the above represents the best picture that can be put together at present.

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132 Responses to “Wedding Hells Appendix II–History Exam”

  1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 22, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

    Thanks Chris.

    However, with another ebook from Amazon, the author’s actions didn’t seem to solve the problem.

    It took contacting Amazon’s Customer Service to get the “new copy” downloaded to me.

  2. Michael Misenheimer June 22, 2016 at 6:22 pm #

    Thank you so much Chris. I must say that I am amazed at how quickly you responded to this request. I admire and respect that greatly.

    • William Ameling June 22, 2016 at 7:59 pm #

      THANK YOU, it was VERY interesting. Apparently others did not have it from Amazon as well. Did the ones who did have it get it from a different source than Amazon or at a later time? (I was going to ask that question when I got on your website just now and found the above). When was it added to the original version? I got mine when it first came out on the Kindle from Amazon.

      It gives us some hints about what might be coming in Past Tense.

      Where did someone get the title for book 11 (The Sargent’s Apprentice)? (that I saw mentioned earlier in the comments on the snippet for Past Tense, assuming that it is accurate)

      If Emily ends up using the Whitehall name in the past (will she use it in the future?), as a family member (possibly daughter) due to her Ring from Void, I could see how it could lead to later confusion in the scattered historical record as to her real relationship.

      Also if she uses the Whitehall name in the future/present time, I think that gives a strong indication that she will be closely tied to the school (and it’s Nexus point) for a long time (i.e. the rest of her life), and probable future Grand Master, although she may serve as a replacement to the Warden at first.

      I find it significant that Void did not give her the “family” ring until the beginning of Wedding Hells, because it was not needed in the SIM storyline until now, although it was made to seem because she was now mature and about to pass her tests at the end of 4th year.

      I have an interesting question, if Demon Masters were so powerful why did humanity resort to Necromancy to defeat the Faerie in the 2nd war, which apparently took place after Past Tense? I think we may see the answer in PT. I suspect that it would have been difficult to use Demons against the Faerie probably because they knew each other too well (if they were not part of the same group of Races/Beings). (possibly the Demon behind of all this in the SIM series knew it would lead to the demise of the Demon Masters, and maybe even his own freedom from one of the Demon Masters)(I think that may well be part of what we have not seen yet)

      I think that all of your SIM fans are going to be expecting a LOT from Past Tense, and we can hardly stand the waiting time.

      A separate question about different Worlds, how closely related/tied are their timelines? Does it even make sense to ask if events in different worlds happened at the same time?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 22, 2016 at 8:15 pm #

        Chris had mentioned (not sure where or when) that the next book would be titled The Sargent’s Apprentice.

      • chrishanger June 23, 2016 at 7:08 pm #

        Yep – Book 11 is ‘The Sargent’s Apprentice.’ Book 12’s provisional title is ‘The Fists of Justice.’

        Chris

      • Jacqueline Harris June 24, 2016 at 6:43 am #

        Sargent?like an army NCOofficer…..that’s sergeant

      • Darkpoint June 24, 2016 at 6:56 am #

        Well, the “Sargent’s Apprentice” is pretty clear:
        She will become Sargent Miles apprentice, since Professor Locke is in the madhouse.

        For the “The Fists of Justice” I have some ideas:
        1. The Allied Lands attack the necromancers and Emily will participate.
        2. Someone found out, that Emily used forbidden spells or was in contact with a demon and tries to attack her through a lawsuit.
        3. It has something to do with the religious group from book 8.

      • chrishanger June 28, 2016 at 4:57 pm #

        We shall see .

        Chris

  3. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 22, 2016 at 7:06 pm #

    Life of Whitehall claims the attackers were all turned into pigs, which were then eaten at dinner

    Void has given me permission to say that a very annoyed young woman (not Emily) threatened that course of action.

    Note, no word that the threat was carried out. 😀

    • William Ameling June 22, 2016 at 8:22 pm #

      If I was an author who wanted to be dramatic about it I would have Emily call together Caleb, his parents, Void, Lady Barb , her friends, the new Grand Master and several of the school staff and then have Emily ask Caleb if he would marry Emily Whitehall, the Dark Lady as her way of starting to explain what had happen. She might want to do this in Dragon;s Den instead of the school, although the school would be safer.

      • William Ameling June 22, 2016 at 9:18 pm #

        On the hand, given all of the very recent disruptions to the school, that they have not had time to recover from, it might make more sense at the house in Dragon’s Den that she inherited from the old Grand Master. It would also let them know that she had inherited that house. It would be even more interesting if Lord Whitehall was present as well. Of course, another possibility would be for Lord Whitehall and/or Void to ask Caleb’s parents to allow Caleb to marry Emily Whitehall as the way of concluding a Formal Courtship (which makes a great deal of sense in terms of a Formal Courtship, although maybe her chaperone, Lady Barb, might ask the question instead ). (I hope I am getting close to what might happen).

  4. William Ameling June 22, 2016 at 9:40 pm #

    One question, could Emily in Past Tense be the one who captured and confined the Mimic at Whitehall? and possibly other monsters as well? (or drove them away). I think the cover picture may be giving us a hint. It probably took the power of the Nexus to confine the Mimic, which did not get released until Shadye’s attack on the school and the Nexus point. I think it is quite likely. Her training in Martial Magic may be quite important in the past of Past Tense.

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 22, 2016 at 9:58 pm #

      The creature on the cover of Past Tense isn’t the Mimic.

      • William Ameling June 22, 2016 at 11:52 pm #

        I did not expect it to be a Mimic but another of the monsters infesting the area around the Whitehall Castle soon to be school. But she still might run into the Mimic while in the past. Of course, I suppose the monster on the cover picture could be friendly, but we will have to see. It could even be a transfigured Magician from the past of the area around the old castle.

        If Lord Whitehall does come forward in time, I would expect him to take over as Grand Master of the school, although he will have learn a lot about Magic developed since his time.

    • Don Yu June 22, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

      It would be more interesting in a character development point of view if Emily had a hand in creating Mimic to solve “past” problem/issue/danger that will also give hints effect her younger self actions in the past several books even knowing that Mimic will kill lots of people.

      Mimic basic structure is more refined of nexus control systems that can only origin from Emily unless Faerie’s magic was like magic “computer language” rune system.

      • William Ameling June 23, 2016 at 12:07 am #

        Perhaps she created the Mimic as a weapon against the Demon Masters ( as good a speculation as any)? If Emily did Not create the Mimic, then it probably came from the Faerie. She is probably the only human magician who could have created it the past, but she would have to have had a very strong reason to do so.

      • Lodrik June 23, 2016 at 8:34 am #

        I hoped for this kind of talk ^^
        I dont believe Emily would ever create the mimic as as we know it. She doesnt need to build her magical-pc around necromacy with her batterys so it seems far more likely that some idiots tried to play with her idea and the “self-aware pc” was about to run out of magic and fueled himself with necromacy and that in turn made him mad/evil. And its not efficent, normal mimics are fueled months to years before they need to kill again…

      • Veraenderer June 23, 2016 at 9:15 pm #

        Her batterys aren’t a infinte power source while necromancy is as long there are living creatures.

        Therefore a battery powered mimic might exist for 10 years (maybe longer if the battery gets recharged), but a mimic powered by necromancy could live for millions of years.

        My theory is that the fairys ask Emily to create the Mimics and she makes them because if she doesn’t make them the future would be changed.

      • Lodrik June 24, 2016 at 7:03 am #

        but this system has no leak of magic, so the biggest cost would lie in visualisation… One BIG battery could keep this going for a VERY LONG time ^^

      • Veraenderer June 24, 2016 at 10:33 am #

        The problem isn’t the leakage the problem is that it copys living things and to do that it uses necromancy to refill its storage.

        The whole point of study in slaughter was that the mimic did run out of energy after just a few days because it copied magic users and to refill its storage with necromancy (which it always did when it copied someone)

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 12:46 am #

        thats not true at all, its already said in the book that the first victim was copied for months. The problems started after the mimic tried to use necromacy on the warden and with the new revelations it becomes obvious that Whitehalls wards (throught the warden) damaged the magic (code) of the mimic, after that it run out of magic in days…

      • Veraenderer June 26, 2016 at 10:18 am #

        Doesn’t matter it still had the need to refill its power before it only took longer

      • William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 4:38 am #

        Here is another (wild) interesting possibility: the Mimics were a weapon against the Demons that the Demon Masters would use against the Whitehall castle/school

  5. William Ameling June 22, 2016 at 9:44 pm #

    If Lord Whitehall “died” shortly afterwards maybe he does come forward in time. (I hope so)

  6. DOUGLAS June 22, 2016 at 11:33 pm #

    Thank you for this short snippet and the history exam. Now where’s the book thank you. Can’t wait to get it.

  7. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 23, 2016 at 12:36 am #

    There’s been some comments about Lord Whitehall coming forward in time and some have talked about him “taking” over as Grandmaster of Whitehall School.

    I won’t comment on the possibility of him arriving in Emily’s time but I doubt that if he did, he’d take over as Grandmaster of the school.

    The Grandmaster of Whitehall School is a powerful figure in the politics of the Allied Lands but isn’t the most powerful.

    The prior Grandmaster had to deal with the various powers on the White Council but was aided by the fact that “he knew where the bodies were buried”.

    The current Grandmaster had the political pull to become Grandmaster but is still less politically powerful than the prior one.

    If Lord Whitehall arrived in the present, while he might have the prestige of being The Lord And Master Whitehall (assuming he was believed to be Lord Whitehall), I doubt that the White Council would accept him as Grandmaster of the school.

    If George Washington appearing in the present day, I doubt that the current US government would accept him as a Political Power in the US

    Of course, if Lord Whitehall was smart, I doubt that he’d attempt to “take over”.

    He would know very little about the politics of the Allied Lands (even if Emily advised him) and his lack of knowledge of “Modern” magic would put him at a disadvantage.

    Even if he has a level of command over the Wards of Whitehall School that surpasses the current Grandmaster, that would not be enough to permanently control Whitehall School.

    Of course, as far as Allied Land Law goes, it is a matter of record that his “claim” to the School passed down to Bernard De Born and from Bernard to the following Grandmasters.

    So, even if Lord Whitehall came forward, he won’t be the new Grandmaster of Whitehall School.

    • G June 23, 2016 at 1:46 am #

      I believe somewhere in IR, Professor Locke or Emily comments that if a descendant of Lord Whitehall was ever found, he would have a legal claim to Whitehall’s castle and lands–and no, the White Council would not like it…as a side note, while I think the author has Emily transitioning to eventually becoming Grandmaster, I still think the storyline doesn’t work for Emily to walk away from a Barony–it would be like turning down a Dukedom with tremendous wealth and power and hundreds of thousands of acres of land to aspire to (drumroll) a successful career as an academic with the possiblility of becoming chancellor of Oxford…and Emily being a “new” noble or autistic doesn’t explain it…(I don’t know of any “new” noble in history ever turning down tremendous wealth and power, either…)

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 23, 2016 at 2:25 am #

        But neither Emily nor Professor Locke are legal experts. 😉

      • Jacqueline Harris June 23, 2016 at 3:16 am #

        I don’t know I always got the feeling that Emily was someone fit to be a lone power. She might have to pay her dues assisting the allied lands but I wonder if Emily might just build her own school with her own allies. Void says it’s not land or barony’s that are true power it was magic. I think Emily could become a figure that allies the people on the counsel. A lot of people are against her being a mediator but I think it would be a good job for her for awhile. it’s sort of like bieng a jedi knight an ambassador sometimes sent to battle civil unrest or fight the dark side(necromancers) I think she would get tired of working for them eventually and strike out on her own.

    • chrishanger June 23, 2016 at 7:09 pm #

      It would get sticky. Legally, he’d have some claim – but how much?

      Chris

      • Michael Misenheimer June 23, 2016 at 7:17 pm #

        On top of which the poor guy would be SO lost. No power base, no political friends, and no knowledge of the current sociopolitical or socioeconomic conditions of the present tense world. (No pun intended)

  8. merr49 June 23, 2016 at 7:35 am #

    I always thought that she would build a school to study and combine magic and technology and bring about a steampunk world(no electricity).
    Also doesn’t the magic oath to the school have a clause that would prevent starting a new magic school and that is why she hasn’t taken the oath.

  9. William Ameling June 23, 2016 at 8:18 am #

    I find myself wondering why Lord Whitehall and his Commune were looking for a place of safety so hard. I see two basic possibilities: the Demon Masters or the Faerie. I consider the Demon Masters as more likely.

    ‘ “Void” has given me permission to state that a very annoyed young woman (not Emily) had threatened that course of action” (turning the attackers into pigs and then eating them). (comment above by Paul Howard)

    I interpret that to mean Chris speaking as “Void”. The problem with that statement is that I can not see any other young woman in the past making that kind of threat besides Emily. In fact, I would probably expect Frieda to make that threat, if anyone, but she is not in the past (is she?). The only other possibility would be some other young female magician in the past, perhaps someone that Emily has helped or rescued; maybe even someone transfigured back from monster form in the vicinity of the castle/school (or maybe Lord Whitehall’s daughter that was mentioned in the his thoughts in the PT snippet). His daughter would seem the most likely possibility, particularly since she was too young to be married and have children, but might be old enough to start learning magic from Emily. Starting to teach that daughter (and others) could be part of what stirred up the attack by other magicians as well as Demon Masters.

    • Lodrik June 23, 2016 at 8:23 am #

      Whitehall has a daughter

    • William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

      Although if Demon Masters were the problem I can not see taking the advice of a Demon about a place of safety because the Demon Masters could be making him provide that answer (as the Whitehall Commune would see it). In actual fact, I think that the Demon was trying to set up a chain of events that led to the defeat and fall of the Demon Masters when they attacked the school. So I consider other human magicians or the Faerie as more likely causes of the Whitehall Commune being desperate to find a place of safety. I do think they had to be desperate for some reason to find that safe place, or they would not have summoned and asked a Demon. We have to wait for the answer in PT.

      Given Lord Whitehall’s opposition to the Black Arts including Demon Masters, the painting at Mountaintop, where he and the Dark Lady(?) watched a duel between the last two Demon Masters, does not make much sense, unless it occurs after they have defeated the Demon Masters who attacked the school. Maybe they were the only Demon Masters who survived the attack on the school, or they did not take part in the attack, or were blaming each other for the failure of the attack, or each wanted to be the supreme Demon Master.

      I still wonder about Void’s rescue of Emily at the beginning of SIM. Could he have had a warning or message from the past from Emily/the Dark Lady that made him watch Shadye in order to rescue Emily?

      • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 12:35 am #

        Sorry for the flip of opinion between Demon Masters and other magicians being the cause of the Whitehall commune being desperate for a place of safety. There were probably multiple causes, and arguing which is most important will soon be rendered moot when PT comes out.

  10. PhilippeO June 23, 2016 at 8:19 am #

    > The Dark Lady At this point, another mysterious figure enters the picture. The Dark Lady is mentioned in Times Whitehall and Life of Bernard, but is completely absent from both Life of Whitehall and Lay of Lord Alfred. Indeed, some researchers believe her to be mythical. So much about her is uncertain that it is impossible to say anything for sure.

    Emily in the past ?

    • Lodrik June 23, 2016 at 8:22 am #

      most likely

  11. William Ameling June 23, 2016 at 7:52 pm #

    Ok, I think we (particularly me) are probably (certainly) getting a little to wild in our speculation.

    I don’t think people would be so aware and afraid of Mimics, if there was only one that had been confined at Whitehall for a long time. So I doubt that Emily created them. She may have confined one at Whitehall but she would remember what happened and blame herself for all the deaths it caused, not quite logical when a time loop is involved, but emotions are often not quite logical.

    I do think that she will have a major role in clearing the area of the castle of the various monsters (her classes in Martial Magic are particularly appropriate), and she will certainly have a major role in establishing the castle/school’s Wards and defending it from the attack which seems likely from the historical record. It is easy to see her give a starting point to the classes and magical areas of study such as Alchemy and Healing, with Bernard continuing the work after she leaves. She also probably has a role in establishing the internal physical/magical structure of the castle/school, particularly the Warden.

    If there is a very annoyed young woman (not Emily) who could make magical threats, it would almost have to be Whitehall’s daughter who had not married yet or had and children yet, since she is the only female that we have seen mentioned other than camp followers and Whitehall’s dead wife. It would be reasonable for Emily to have started teaching her, particularly given Emily’s past experience with younger, particularly female, magicians.

    It seems reasonably obvious that Demon Masters and those afraid of women being taught magic will attack the school at some point, and Emily will play a major role in defeating them.

    Tying Emily and her family ring from Void to Whitehall is pure speculation, but we can hope it is true.

    What happens to Whitehall (the man) when she comes back to her proper time is very speculative, although I would love to see him come forward since he supposedly “died” shortly after the school was defended.

    I would like to think that a period of separation from Caleb might help her resolve her feelings, but the usual dynamics of story telling /creation will probably drag it out more. I do wonder a little bit about the ending stages of a successful Courtship. Most likely, they are Extremely Formalized with the parents or parent substitutes/chaperones agreeing to the marriage after the people being courted decide positively. I wonder if Void will met Caleb’s parents before the end of the courtship.

    • Gazza June 24, 2016 at 7:00 am #

      Chris said that Caleb and Emily courtship was going to get rockier not better for a bit

    • Lodrik June 24, 2016 at 7:10 am #

      dont forget that Bernard mentioned a curse (likely related to females with magic potential), that would play a big role for the hypocrites…

    • William Ameling June 27, 2016 at 5:09 am #

      Here is an interesting possibility: maybe Mimics were created (or moved into the area) in order to get rid of a lot of the monsters around the Whitehall Castle. I doubt most magical monsters could defend themselves against it.

      On the other hand, if the Mimic remembers past victims, it may have picked up more and more dangerous magical traits/abilities from those past victims, which make old Mimics extremely dangerous.

    • chrishanger June 28, 2016 at 4:56 pm #

      There’s definitely more than one Mimic

      Chris

  12. William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 12:09 am #

    Of course, on Earth, and almost certainly on the Nameless World, there would also be a lot of discussion of property, power (and magic), inheritance rights, etc., at some stage of a Courtship between the parents/houses involved. Which will be interesting when it involves Emily. Emily will certainly view things differently than a normal young female magician of the Nameless World. I expect a fair amount of friction in the process. We already had a preview of some of her likely views and reactions in Love’s Labor Won.

    If Whitehall does come forward in time, he could serve as another father figure to Emily, who needs one since Void is so hands off with Emily. This would be particularly true if Emily is part of Whitehall’s house/family via the ring from Void. Whitehall being Emily’s literal father is extreme speculation, but an interesting idea, since Void has been ruled out as her real father. It will be interesting if Whitehall (or Emily) casts a magical/blood relation spell on Emily (or Whitehall) at some point in PT, to see what the results are.

    • Darkpoint June 24, 2016 at 7:00 am #

      I think (and hope) that there will be some friction in her courtship. Don’t forget that Emily is the owner of a house (probably more a mansion), a bank and rich, while Caleb has basically nothing.
      Should she marry him, everything she owns will become his property, except maybe if he vows some similar oaths like Jade and Emily will be the dominant partner in the marriage. Or maybe they decide to stay together but do not marry or the whole relationship will fail in the end?

      I don’t think that Whitehall is Emily’s father, because Chris has once said that Void is not her father and her parentage is not very important for the rest of the story. Should Whitehall be Emily’s father he will certainly become very important for her and the overall story.

      I always thought Lady Barb’s reaction to Voids ring a bit ominous (She sighed. “And I would take a very careful look at anything Void gave you,” she added, darkly. “It might well have a sting in the tail.”), thus I am very curious to see if there is something important about the ring or not.

  13. William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 12:26 am #

    I can certainly see Whitehall or someone else casting a blood relation spell on Emily. It would be a very logical thing for them to, since Emily will not give them answers on the subject. Plus there is what testing the ring might reveal.

    • Lodrik June 24, 2016 at 7:13 am #

      you guys seem to think she has father issues? The blood relations doesnt seem to matter to her, i believe she wants to feel accepted and welcome.

      • William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 9:11 pm #

        We know she has father issues, with her stepfather, and she probably blames her real father for leaving her mother and her.

        The question is does the story/she need a more active father figure than Void?

        Although it is tempting think Void is a bad guy, I think he is basically good to somewhat amoral where Magic is concerned. I think he has little interest in politics except how it affects the war with the Necromancers, and Emily is headed in the same direction but with a few more friendships than Void (although maybe all of Void’s have died of old age). The big question is her future long term relationship with the school. She will probably be more tied to the Whitehall school than Void. If he was truly bad, he ought to be starting to worry about how strong Emily is getting, particularly with her connection to the Nexus Point.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 12:39 am #

        I believe that the problems with her step-father are rather translated to problems with males. She doesnt want to go back, she doesnt think about her mother… Her step-father scared her as a man (close enough to hurt her at any time), not because he was her step-father.

  14. Lodrik June 24, 2016 at 7:25 am #

    did anyone ever make the guess that Void IS Lord Whitehall? People change over the centurys and Whitehall seems willing to do really bad things for the greater good (like summoning a demon to find a save place for his people) and Void seems to work among this lines…

    • William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 9:15 am #

      Lord and Master Alfred summoned the demon, not Whitehall. I suppose it is possible that Void is Whitehall, but I am not sure he could live that long without time travel (into the future) or suspended animation in one form or another. I think Void as a member of the house of Whitehall is more likely. I do think that Cloak is Void.

      • Michael Misenheimer June 24, 2016 at 12:45 pm #

        Void is Cloak……you know that actually works for me. I was actually thinking that Cloak was a fairy, seeing as how I feel they are coming back or at least going to try.

      • William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 9:25 pm #

        An interesting question is how did Void as a graduate of Whitehall end up on the council governing Mountaintop (assuming that he is Cloak)? You would normally expect all the council members to be graduates of that school. He may gotten the membership simply because he is so powerful.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 24, 2016 at 10:02 pm #

        At least one of the other members of the “Star Council” was not a graduate of Mountaintop and there was nothing in that prologue that the “Star Council” managed Mountaintop.

        My impression was that the “Star Council” was just a faction of the overall White Council not the governing body of Mountaintop.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 12:29 am #

        i think you are refering to the fae Michael?

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 24, 2016 at 1:42 pm #

      Lord Whitehall didn’t summon the Demon.

      It was Lord Alfred who summoned the Demon.

      You are assuming that Lord Whitehall ordered Lord Alfred to summon it.

  15. William Ameling June 24, 2016 at 10:22 pm #

    Assuming that Whitehall did not die and continued on in another role/name, possibly eventually becoming Void and/or Cloak, I would think that he would have been very opposed to Mountaintop’s source of power, given his opposition to the Black Arts and the Demon Masters.

    I still think that if Whitehall “died” (he was too young to die of old age) then he came forward in time (somehow, possibilities include the Nexus point, being frozen as a statue, or a dimensional pocket; he would not trust a Demon to do it) , almost certainly to the present time of the SIM series, i.e. late in Past Tense.

    Of course, in standard (romance) story creation once the reluctant one, i.e. Emily, starts to accept the active/interested one, Caleb, then Caleb starts to doubt the relationship with Emily, etc. Keep in mind that they have only know each other for less then a year and a half, with a lot of other demands on their time. The question is can Caleb accept being less powerful magically in a marriage? The answer is in the example of his parents, so it so should not be impossible for him to accept.

    • Jacqueline Harris June 25, 2016 at 12:12 am #

      At this point I feel that Caleb likes Emily more then Emily likes him. He is her first boyfriend and Caleb is already thinking of marriage. She has barley started liking guys. As for Caleb it’s one thing to accept that your girlfriend is more powerful then you it’s another to accept the fact that your girlfriend is more important to the world then he is.

      Emily is going to do great things like fight necromancers and fighting and Caleb…that’s not his thing. he is talented but he’s not a fighter. Heck he didn’t even stay to watch the duel while freida did. I think that is ominous for a future relationship .I think her child of destiny and facing off against the villains will interfere with the relationship cause can Caleb stand by her side for all of that?

      • Michael Misenheimer June 25, 2016 at 12:34 am #

        If you think about it, about 95% of the problems she has had, has been with men. Then there is the mental scaring from her stepfather, in SIM4 she was nearly raped, now in PT she has already been mistreated by Bernard De Bore. The way things are going she’s liable to end up married to Freida.
        /facepalm

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 25, 2016 at 1:25 am #

        Now now Bernard “took it” like a man and is a friend later on in Past Tense.

        On the other hand,….. [Wink]

      • Jacqueline Harris June 26, 2016 at 2:24 am #

        I wouldn’t be surprised to find out emily is bi. She honestly doesn’t know how she feels half the time. Her relationships with women seem very important. Alassa practically confessed to her while drunk. She seemed very possessive of Freida in wedding hells. And when asked who she trusted most in the school who did she choose? No wonder Caleb seemed worried he should be. Who knows what emily actually wants?

      • Darkpoint June 26, 2016 at 9:23 am #

        I have the same impression and would not mind if Emily would come together with another woman, but I don’t think that will happen.
        Either she is with Caleb at the end or they will separate and Emily will meet the man from the demon’s vision.

        But I would like to know who would Alassa choose if she had the choice between Jade and Emily?

  16. William Ameling June 25, 2016 at 4:06 am #

    Emily’s hardest problems in the past (and Past Tense) will be overcoming the “curse” attached to women magicians in the minds of magicians of the past and fighting Demons during the attack on Whitehall castle. Her most complicated problem will be not ruining the timeline that leads to her future. Everything else is just more of the same things she has already meet and surmounted. The biggest uncertainties are the Unseelie Court (who live close to the castle), other Faerie, and possible Demon games. She already knows how she will return to the future, she just has to figure out the spell structure she will need.

    • andrew June 25, 2016 at 2:25 pm #

      i don’t think it matters what she does in the past because it will already have happened in the future. So it doesn’t really matter what her actions are. I think she will be forced through certain events to take specific actions. The curse of women magic is just another day in the life of a woman in any world it seems. We don’t know if it is a real curse or propaganda. Lastly the information we have about the past in the future could ALL be wrong. Remember someone sanitized history for some specific purpose it seems.

      • Gazza June 25, 2016 at 8:23 pm #

        By not knowing what the Dark Lady did. Emily is more of a free agent. She does not have to follow a script and can do what she needs without having to second guess what was done. Knowing your future can change it was one of the reasons that most mages didn’t try. In Emily’s case, going back in time could alter what happened. That alone could be why history was sanitized as much as it was.

  17. William Ameling June 25, 2016 at 10:38 pm #

    To a large extent, those opposed to women being taught magic, will do everything they can to erase the Dark Lady from the historical record after she leaves. Those opposed to the idea of establishing a school for magic will do their best to ruin those historical records as well. Finally, there are still some rounds in the human vs Faerie wars still to come, since Necromancers are probably not active yet, according to paper by Frieda. I think the only ones who will know what really happened are the Faerie and the demons neither of which like humans, and one (at least) demon likes to play games with Emily, her past, and her future.

    I do think that without the Whitehall school and the development of magic that it will apparently will foster and teach, that Necromancers (or Demon Masters) would have been all that were left after the Faerie were defeated by use of Necromancy (or the other Dark Arts). So the Dark Lady and the Whitehall school are crucial to the future leading to Nameless World that Emily came from.

    I wonder if “Dark” in the Dark Lady could also have a meaning. Quite likely those opposed to her will consider her evil as in the “Dark” Arts, and that is probably what they called her at time. As a woman Emily will have trouble being accepted even in the Whitehall commune, and more trouble outside it. Her inability (to avoid ruining the future) to explain her past and training will also hurt her acceptance.

    • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 12:36 am #

      Intriguing ideas, would be interested if you had more ideas going

  18. Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 12:49 am #

    I had a revelation just now:
    The mimic in “A study in slaughter”:
    It’s said in the book that the first mimic victim was copied for months. The problems started after the mimic tried to use necromacy on the warden and with the new revelations it becomes obvious that Whitehalls wards (throught the warden) damaged the magic (code) of the mimic, after that it run out of magic in days and had to attack another victim…

    • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 1:23 am #

      An interesting idea, there may well be something to it. Of course, there is also the question did the Mimic attack the warden, or did the Warden realize that there was something wrong with the human the Mimic had copied and the Mimic tried to defend itself from the Warden and got damaged in the process of copying the Warden? Or it could have the Warden was just doing its regular job, and the wrong person got sent to it to discipline for some reason.

      • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 1:55 am #

        It would make sense for Emily in PT to try to create a Warden that was relatively immune to the Mimic (and other threats). She would have the knowledge to try to do so, although not be completely successful.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 1:20 pm #

        that could lead to the issue I described, good thinking

  19. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 26, 2016 at 12:52 am #

    Just a comment on the “Curse” and “Women Magicians”.

    It was mentioned in Infinite Regress and it is not a matter of “Male Magicians hating Female Magicians”.

    There are good reasons for women in Lord Whitehall’s time to not be taught Magic.

    Obviously, History has forgotten the Curse and the reasons behind the Curse. 😉

    • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 1:10 am #

      Maybe female magicians were more easily influenced, controlled, or were more susceptible to attack by the Faerie.

      • Michael Misenheimer June 26, 2016 at 1:14 am #

        Or maybe it was because if women had that kind of power they wouldn’t put up with crap from the men?

      • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 1:46 am #

        Possibly even really powerful female magicians, became the Faerie, or were recruited to them. That could help explain why the Faerie were so interested in humans and why human woman magicians were “cursed”. It might not be true, but if it was “believed” to be true at the time, it could explain a lot. Or female human magicians could be used as breeding stock by the Faerie, and the only way to hide them from the Faerie was to not train them. That seems like an interesting, if somewhat horrifying, possibility. It could be part of why the Whitehall commune was looking so desperately for a place of safety, if they keep loosing their female magician children to the Faerie.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 26, 2016 at 2:07 am #

        Sigh!

        In Infinite Regress, Emily comes across an ancient document that mentions Women Magicians not able to have children.

        In her time, that’s obviously not true and Professor Locke talks about it as a bunch of nonsense.

        Yet, Lord Whitehall is surprised to meet a Female Magician and thinks about the “Curse”.

        Professor Locke is wrong about the “Belief that Female Magicians aren’t able to have Children” as being nonsense.

        It’s not nonsense in Lord Whitehall’s time and we’ll find out why the Curse exists later in Past Tense.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 1:22 pm #

        spoiler issues…

    • Jacqueline Harris June 26, 2016 at 2:29 am #

      I thought the curse was that they assumed teaching them magic would cause infertility which would seem like a curse for women in the middle ages

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 26, 2016 at 2:33 am #

        Correct!

        Oh, in Lord Whitehall’s time, they have good reasons to believe that. 😀

      • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 4:07 am #

        One way or another the Faerie will be tied up in it since they were most important factor in human history (on the Nameless World) for a long time. Perhaps the Faerie “cursed” human women magicians so they could not have (many) children as a way of getting rid of human magicians who had led the previous wars against them. That seems like a reasonable explanation, if the Faerie were trying to eliminate the human magical bloodlines. Particularly, with Whitehall’s wife dying in childbirth, and Healers not solving the death in childbirth problem until a hundred years later according to Frieda’s paper. You would have thought it would be an easy problem to solve magically, but if it was a true magical “Curse” by the Faerie, it might not have been easy to solve, and Emily probably does not know how the problem was solved (in detail at least, since Alchemy is a weak area in her classes , and she is/was not taking the advanced Healing classes either). A “Curse” is probably most effective when it strengthens an already existing normal problem for human women.

        Actually, that seems like the best explanation I seen yet (or proposed myself), and it makes sense of much of the information we have been provided so far. It could also be why developing the study of Alchemy was/is so important for what the Whitehall school did, along with a boost to the study of Healing, both probably (certainly) due to the Dark Lady.

        Think about the potions that Emily and the other Female magicians were provided when they first came to Whitehall in the future. We were made (or were allowed) to think that they were for birth control, but they (or related potions) may have had a more important purpose in preventing death in childbirth for female magicians. We do know that one of the purposes of Whitehall in the future was to allow male and female magicians to meet each other in order to encourage marriages.

        We already know from Alassa’s family that magic and Alchemy can be related to fertility problems.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 1:25 pm #

        dont forget death in childbed, it takes time to teach magic and if you spend years to teach something you dont want the person to be used for breeding till she dies giving birth (the master has to pay for food, provide room for the novice, spend time to teach him and the males could life over a century while woman died… early)

  20. William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 1:01 am #

    To me the Star Council seemed to be closely tied to Mountaintop the school, including the discussions based on teaching/showing her why they (Mountaintop) have to do what they do and winning her over “seducing” her to their point of view. Cloak even asks if they were planning a conquest of her.

  21. G June 26, 2016 at 3:44 am #

    There are various factions in the politics of the nameless world–city states (merchants), Kings/aristocracy, the great magical families (who largely control and run Mountaintop with Cloak sneaking in), and the independent magicians (who at present seem to control Whitehall. The great magical families actively work against the kingdoms and independent magicians for more power and influence–most notably via the star council..and they want Emily on there side, dead, or at least ineffective–the only reason they tolerate her is because she can defeat necromancers–who threaten them all…Void seems to be secretly playing all of them off the others for his own purposes….

    • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 4:24 am #

      If Void is Cloak is a member of the Whitehall family, then he is a member of a great (if little know to still exist) family. It might even explain how he got his membership on the Star Council, or he might be an agent of the White Council keeping an eye on the Star Council.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 1:27 pm #

        he should not need to pull his punches then ^^

  22. William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 4:20 am #

    I agree with Darkpoint “The Fists of Justice” sounds like it is related to the “Hands of Justice” that we saw when Emily visit Caleb’s parents in Wedding Hells. It sound like a more forceful police or military version of the Hands (and the Hands were already serving in a police role). Plus all the changes that Emily has unleashed in the Nameless World could be causing changes from the Hands to Fists.

    • William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 4:58 am #

      It could also lead to a source of friction between or for Emily and Caleb and his parents living in that city as well as Melissa and Markus. (That is what most story creation is about: creating problems and then trying to solve them), It could even be tied to problems that were/are being created for the neighboring Kingdom of Zangaria by Nanette and her hidden master. It might time for her to show up again in the storyline. Which could also draw Emily back into the affairs of Cockatrice, Zangaria, Alassa, and her father, after 3 books in the SIM series elsewhere.

      • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 1:34 pm #

        I still think Nanettes master is Void, he wanted Emily out of Zangaria and said himself that it would only keep her down. He fits into the role! So he seems to use Nanette to force Emily to mature, to grow into the role he sees for her.
        And he is playing a LONG game, he has to have had bigger reasons to sent her on a dragon to Whitehall (to creat a portal seems more simple than to contact a dragon to get her from a to b)

      • William Ameling June 27, 2016 at 2:29 am #

        A small nit to pick: up until now the SIM series has alternated between a school book and an out of school/summer book. So with book 9 being split into two books, I would have expected a non school book next, i.e. “The Fists of Justice” assuming we are right about it being tied to Hands of Justice and the city where Caleb’s parents lived which also neighbors Zangaria and Cockatrice, to be followed by a school book, i.e. “The Sargent’s Apprentice”, rather the vice versa we are apparently getting. I wonder why the switch, but I am sure we will find out eventually.

        Someone above made the point about Military Magic and the test Emily took at the end of 4th year, which was arranged by one of the Sargents (Emily never got to ask him why he arranged it). They have a very good point when we consider the title “The Sargent’s Apprentice” and that may be the track Emily ends up following rather than Mediator; preparation to be a Combat Sorceress could lead to either career path. Although there is still what kind of Sargent’s Apprentice: a trainer at Whitehall, or a path into command of military units in the field? Could she end being “The General’s Apprentice”, i.e. to Caleb’s Father instead of a mediator like Caleb’s Mother (or to both!)? She may well end up studying Military Magic in her remaining time at the Whitehall school after she returns from the past, particularly in her 6th year (we have never been told anything about the Military Magic classes and the students taking it, although they probably overlapped a lot with the Martial Magic students.) Keep in mind her introduction of gunpowder and guns into the Nameless World, and she could end up making a lot more changes to the military and combat in order to fight the Necromancers. Also keep in mind that she was first and only person to take Martial Magic as a first year student. (Just wild speculation at the moment but it is interesting to think about). (It casts an interesting light on her relationship to Caleb and his parents). (At the moment I WANT to READ Past Tense, everything else comes after that)

        (I have no inside knowledge from Chris or anyone else, just what I read in the books and this Blog)

      • chrishanger June 28, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

        As IR and PT are both (technically) school books, I was going to have the next to be non-school books.

        Chris

      • William Ameling June 28, 2016 at 9:00 am #

        Could Emily, Caleb, Melissa and Markus end up working together if “The Fists of Justice” does take place in their city state?

      • William Ameling June 30, 2016 at 10:36 am #

        Another point, the “Hands/Fists of Justice” could be active in many locations, not just Caleb’s home city, particularly since they seem to be connected to a new (?) religion. So we don’t really know that the action will take place there or nearby.

        I am more than half expecting Nanette’s hidden master to be trying to influence/control them or steer them in certain directions or against certain targets.

  23. William Ameling June 26, 2016 at 10:53 am #

    The death in childbirth problem as the curse sounds more likely to me, IF the male magicians were not afraid of female magicians, as was hinted above. Other explanations would come to the front if they were afraid of female magicians. To at least some extent, better living conditions and food would at least help women of magical bloodlines/families with the death in childbirth problem no matter what it’s cause. So establishing the Whitehall school with Nexus Point as a power source with strong wards will help in that regard even before the Healers solve the problem.

    A different point to keep in mind, it is fairly well known in the real world here on Earth, that women with low body fat levels such as athletes, dancers, particularly ballerinas, etc often have fertility problems/irregular periods. Possibly use of magic in the early periods of history on the Nameless World could cause similar problems for female magicians before the development of Alchemy and better Healing spells by the Whitehall school. We have already seen hints of Magic/Alchemy causing fertility problems for Alassa’s family although there it affected both sexes.

    • Lodrik June 26, 2016 at 1:42 pm #

      Whitehall has showers and clean water…
      your point about health issues is awesome, you are right of course and its a few times said that magicans need to eat much (+elixirs) to stay well and Whitehall trought that Emily looked far more fit and healthy then the woman he knows. The question is if Chris had this idea too, you ARE right and the series already made clear that untrained magicans use magic unconsciously. Emily talked on mountain top about something in this direction.

      • William Ameling June 27, 2016 at 5:48 am #

        Remember the problems that Aurelius’s daughter had that were so severe that he had to suspend her life to keep her from dying, of a bad reaction to starting to develop her magical powers at too young an age; (back at Mountaintop in The School of Hard Knocks) which is I think you were hinting at.

        It would be very useful if there was a way to create a Magical Null Area or possibly potions that cut off all access to mana and magic, particularly for medical treatment reasons. (or maybe there already are such potions)

    • William Ameling June 27, 2016 at 2:50 am #

      She could also introduce the idea of germ theory and the importance of boiling water (the invisible demons that Void mentioned once) while she is in the past; without having to introduce a lot of advanced magical spells, wards, etc., along with Alchemy and improving Healing.

  24. William Ameling June 27, 2016 at 6:49 am #

    Here is a really speculative question. Back in SIM Void choose to send Emily to the Whitehall school on a dragon rather than teleporting her there himself. Surely it would have been safe and probably, not too hard, for him to teleport her there himself, unless he used a lot more energy rescuing Emily from Shadye, including two teleports and getting into the Inverse Shadow, than we realize. Also remember that he had enough energy to summon various entities to ask questions about Shadye and Emily afterwards. Why would he use a favor with a dragon to send her there?

    Sure, it guaranteed her safe arrival, but you would think that a favor from a dragon would be hard to earn and not be lightly expended (I think that the favor was very old also). Could her exposure to the dragon while riding on it for several hours have had an affect on Emily and her magical abilities and/or being a Child of Destiny? We certainly know that dragon’s blood is a very potent alchemical item. Could it be related to the very dangerous plan that Void had that the dragon referred to?

    • William Ameling June 27, 2016 at 10:46 am #

      I have another question, I think that most of us assume that the Faerie brought humans to the Nameless World for their own reasons. Did humans develop magical abilities because they were on the Nameless World (i.e. the abilities were part of being human if they are in the right environment) or did they develop magical abilities because of something that the Faerie did to the human race? Or were humans brought to the Nameless World because they already had magical abilities where they came from?

      Whatever the reason we know that Faerie did a lot things, often nasty things, to humans after they arrived.

      • William Ameling June 28, 2016 at 1:44 am #

        Or does passage through the yoid activate any magical abilities that a human (i.e. Emily) might have? Remember the comment from the Demon at Mountaintop to Emily that someone called attention to above.

  25. G June 28, 2016 at 4:35 am #

    Anyone’s thoughts on why Emily in chapter 4 of Infinite Regress is still getting gifts (charmed boots) from Queen Marlena of Zangaria (Alassa’s mother) even after her breakup with King Randor??

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard June 28, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

      The charmed boots were likely given prior to the breakup with King Randor.

      There is nothing in Infinite Regress that says when Emily got the boots.

      • chrishanger June 28, 2016 at 5:13 pm #

        Yep – Marlena sent them sometime in Year 4.

        Chris

  26. William Ameling June 28, 2016 at 11:45 pm #

    I reread parts of “The School of Hard Knocks “: They told Emily that most Lone Powers do not have children because they often develop their magic at a very early age and then do not survive puberty. This is also what happened to Aurelius’s daughter and he was a very strong magician although not a Lone Power.

    It is quite possible that Emily was born with the potential for a very strong magical talent, and if she had been born and raised on the Nameless World she might/would have died.

    It would also lead to the possibility that IF strong magicians could send their young children to another world with no magic, i.e. Earth, and then bring them after puberty, that they would do so to protect those children; possibly even if they could not bring them back if they knew the child would die otherwise.

  27. William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 12:03 am #

    Here is a really wild idea, Emily spends time at Stronghold as a transfer student in her sixth year, or as an Apprentice in Military Magic after she finishes her 6th year. This would give us a chance to see another part of the Nameless World and it’s educational/training system.

    It may not be such a wild idea when we remember “The School of Hard Knocks” and Caleb’s and his family’s ties to Stronghold, as well as the likelihood that she may headed for Military Magic rather than Mediator, plus all the combat experience she may get in Past Tense.

    • William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 12:11 am #

      Also considering how hostile and reluctant to have her the Grand Master of Whitehall is. Stronghold might be just what she needs to further her development.

      • William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 12:16 am #

        It could also keep her from having to swear the usual oaths to the Whitehall school that she has avoided so far.

      • William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 5:17 am #

        A transfer to Stronghold for her 6th year would make the new Grand Master of Whitehall happy, and Stronghold might be a better place for Emily to go to study Military Magic. Apparently it has very few students at Whitehall. She has few friends left at Whitehall and it could even lead to some friction with Caleb, which we are expecting.

        If we think about the future for Emily and Caleb, there could be easily a lot of friction during their apprenticeship periods, which would almost certainly keep them separate while they were being trained. I think Caleb is (or was) even thinking about trying to acquire more than one Mastership in order to further his studies into magical theory and improving/researching it. So there is a lot of separation in their future even if they continue their Courtship.

    • chrishanger June 29, 2016 at 5:36 pm #

      I do intend Emily to go there at some point. As a student … perhaps. I’m not sure yet.

      Chris

  28. William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 5:28 am #

    Stronghold would also give Emily experience at working with both non magical people and magicians in a military setting which she probably needs.

    • William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 10:02 pm #

      I just had a VERY Interesting idea: We (I) have been wondering why Lord Whitehall “died” after the school was defended and close to the time that Emily returned to the future. What if he became the Warden?

      I think it would have been almost impossible for any human including Emily to create the Warden that had any self intelligence. So where did the Warden get it? (even if it is limited self intelligence)

      I have wondered if Emily’s experience with the Mimic helped her in creating the spell structure of the Warden, but they might need something more to provide the intelligence of the Warden. Possibly (quite probably) she would need something like a Mimic to take on Lord Whitehall’s life and memories, after which that Mimic/Lord Whitehall was turned into the Warden!! (Some of his memories/personality may have faded by the time Emily arrived at the school in SIM, or were lost in the process of conversion into the Warden).

      A Mimic could be used to make the Warden without Lord Whitehall, but I think with Lord Whitehall is more interesting.

      Which could be why the Mimic attacking the Warden in SIM had problems/got damaged afterwards.

      A more gruesome possibility would be the Mimic absorbing Lord Whitehall and not becoming the Warden, instead it would be the Mimic that was keep confined at the school until it escaped when Shadye attacked the school back in SIM.

      I suppose the Mimic could even take Lord Whitehall’s life during the attack on the school, and afterwards all Emily could do was either confine it or turn it into the Warden.

      There is also another related possibility, perhaps Lord Whitehall was injured enough during the defense of the castle, that turning him into the Warden may have been necessary to save his life.

      So maybe Lord Whitehall did come forward to Emily’s time at Whitehall, but as the Warden!

      Unfortunately, the Warden is now gone courtesy of the Mimic. Still he would have had the chance to see what happened to his school for a very long time, and have some role/influence in its development.

      The problem I see with going to Stronghold is where does Emily take her oaths to a school that were normally taken to start 5th year schooling, but that she did not take because of her probation and problems with the new Grand Master. I suspect Emily may have taken oaths to the school in the past, which would avoid the problem of her taking oaths to the Allied Lands. Could she have taken an oath to the Empire in the past?! (that would be an interesting complication to her future relationships with the Allied Lands: what if she took an oath to defend and/or RESTORE the Empire?)

      Going to Stronghold would also separate Emily from Frieda which would cause emotional pain and friction for both of them, but Frieda has to gain some real independence of Emily at some point and her 4th year is a good point for it to happen.

      I was looking forward to seeing the 6th year at the Whitehall school, but I can understand her going to Stronghold, and it provides some more friction and separation to the relationship with Caleb.

      • Michael Misenheimer June 29, 2016 at 10:06 pm #

        Or maybe Lord Whitehall just gets killed in the war

      • William Ameling July 2, 2016 at 9:36 am #

        What if she took an oath in the past to defend the Imperial House/bloodline? How would that would work out when she returned to her proper time?

  29. William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 10:09 pm #

    Also as long as the original Warden was still around, it may have been impossible for ANYONE to get into the lower levels of Whitehall, where Emily the statue was and the spell ware controlling the Nexus Point were, as well as the books we saw in IR.

    • William Ameling June 29, 2016 at 10:51 pm #

      If we want to think REALLY BIG about Emily as the Child of Destiny (and where this series ends up), how about Emily as the creator/restorer of the 3rd human Empire after the war with Necromancers is won (with a lot help from Emily). (Chris likes to write about Empires after all). (I certainly think that this series is headed in that direction)

      Alassa and Jed as Empress and consort (or Emperor) !!

      I suppose it could be Emily and Caleb instead, but I think that Alassa would be much more likely. Alassa has training/experience in ruling that Emily does not have, and Emily does not want it either. Alassa is also descended from one of the existing royal families. I do wonder about the sword given as a wedding gift to Alassa that Emily got from Master Grey’s estate.

      • William Ameling June 30, 2016 at 12:42 am #

        One of the attackers on the school could have even aimed the Mimic at Lord Whitehall thinking that he was the most important member of the defense and the school. Then afterwards all Emily could do was use the Mimic/Lord Whitehall as the basis or the starting point for the creation of the Warden. Possibly he was attacked before the attack on the school started or as the first blow in a surprise attack on the castle. A last possibility would be Whitehall being attacked by a Mimic in the area of the school, and was completely separate from the attack on the school. The attack would then have been on Bernard and the Dark Lady, with Whitehall already being the Warden.

        All interesting possibilities, since we are being discouraged from the idea of Whitehall coming forward to Emily’s time.

      • William Ameling June 30, 2016 at 3:02 am #

        Another interesting question about Emily and Caleb, assuming that they do get married:

        Will Emily join Caleb’s House with his parents, siblings, and other branches (I think we told were that there were 5 branches) including any family magic spells? or will Caleb join in Emily’s house and her adopted relation to Void? One of the most important details to be ironed out between parents/houses before any marriage is agreed to formally in a Courtship.

        By the way, I do not think that we have seen any mention of Caleb wearing a family ring similar to the ring Emily got from Void, so I assume that he does not have one yet. Yet he is a year older than Emily, so why no family ring (yet) for Caleb? Void said that such rings were often given for passing the 4th year tests or when they were deemed to be mature. I would almost think you would have to have received such a ring to consider starting a Courtship, ( I know Caleb asked his parents about a Courtship a year ago, so it is not quite true in all cases, but you should get my point about being considered mature enough to start a Courtship).

      • chrishanger June 30, 2016 at 6:29 pm #

        Assuming they get married, it would cause a lot of headaches

        Chris

      • Gxx June 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

        @William Ameling
        Why don’t you post your theories in the forum?

        http://thewritersclub.prophpbb.com/forum9.html?sid=37ad034bae99a307192f91575a9fd304.

        It will be much easier to comment, everything will be in one place and you can sort it according to different topics.

      • Gxx June 30, 2016 at 1:56 pm #

        I think that Void will die at some point, so it would be nice if Emily would continue his house.

  30. William Ameling July 1, 2016 at 3:39 am #

    I suspect the main sticking point with Emily will be how much control of her and her interests will the Caleb’s extended family try to exert if she marries into the house. I checked Love’s Labor Won. House Waterfall had one main branch and 5 Cadet branches, and Caleb is two years older than Emily. If she was still Baroness of Cockatrice, I think that there would be no question about Caleb marrying into her house. But if she is not (i.e. does not resume her control and title) then it will be a difficult to settle question.

    • William Ameling July 2, 2016 at 2:33 am #

      There is also the question of what marriage (or other) ties the Waterfall House (we do not even know who the Head of House is or where it is located) has with other houses, particularly with Houses Ashworth and Ashfall, who should not like Emily after the events of “Love’s Labor Won”.

      It occurs to me that when Caleb asked his parent’s permission (at the begining of “Trial By Fire”) to open a Courtship with Emily, that his parents should have consulted with the main branch of the Waterfall House and even with its cadet branches before agreeing to the Courtship. Of course, at the time Emily was still Baroness Cockatrice.

      • chrishanger July 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm #

        Not for the start of a Courtship. If (when) things get serious, the senior branches are informed.

        Chris

      • G July 5, 2016 at 2:11 am #

        FYI–technically. Emily is still Baroness Cockatrice in exile, so she would still outrank House Waterfall whose head is an Earl–although we don’t know where…Caleb’s family lives in Beneficience, an independent city state, so his parents may not care that much about the rest of the house…finally, few mundane aristocrats are going to pick a dispute with an extraordinary powerful sorceress…and Void’s reputed daughter.

  31. William Ameling July 5, 2016 at 4:02 am #

    I suppose that it is possible that all of House Waterfall is in Beneficience, but we have no info at the moment. We do know that Beneficience directly borders Cockatrice but is an independent city. I do think Waterfall is Caleb’s mother’s house (i.e. a House of magicians), and that Caleb’s father married into it. Beneficience is also the city where Melissa and Markus now live, as well as the Bank that Emily suggested be established and supported in the process. I am not sure how the residents of the city actually feel about someone from their city marrying the Baroness of Cockatrice, but I suspect that they would be concerned about keeping their independence and neutrality. Emily is certainly aware that gunpowder, steam engine technology, and her other past and future innovations that she has/will introduce will have a major affect on the city’s independence, no matter what her own intentions are. A marriage to Emily by Caleb could lead to the city being absorbed by Cockatrice, particularly if Caleb’s family had a high status in the city. Things could also go the other way: if Emily does not resume her position as Baroness of Cockatrice, her marriage to Caleb could also cause a war with Zangaria. The mundane aristocrats in Benefinience may not want to annoy Emily, but they have to worry about Zangaria as well.

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    • William Ameling July 11, 2016 at 1:43 am #

      I find it somewhat interesting that there has not been a single comment, positive or negative, to my idea that Lord Whitehall became the Warden. Did I get too close to what may coming in PT?

      I went back and reread parts of SIM. I do not think Emily (or us) ever saw what was under the hooded robes that the Warden wore.

      By the way I was also rereading near the end of School of Hard Knocks, just after Emily leaves the badly damaged Mountaintop and gives the key to Zed making him the new Mage Master of Mountaintop, she meets Void who is wearing a Cloak with the Hood pulled down, he tells her that the Warden is a being formed of magic (sounds like the Mimic doesn’t it ?) and “That I have some business to complete”. Shortly afterwards in the Epilogue we see Cloak (with the Hood up) meet and kill Aurelius, but he pulls his hood down first so Aurelius can see who he is and Aurelius immediately recognized Cloak before he was killed by Cloak. I think we are getting a very strong hint that Cloak is Void, We do know that Cloak is a VERY strong magician who had been on the Star Council for 70 years which sounds like Void as well. (I have thought Cloak was Void ever since I first read School of Hard Knocks last year)

      I wonder if we will ever see the Star Council again in the SIM series ? (Probably not is my guess). I think at some point we will start seeing the White Council (of the Allied Lands) in the SIM series.

      If a Mimic took on Lord Whitehall’s memories and identity and spell casting abilities and was then turned into the Warden (by Emily) which is linked permanently to the Whitehall Wards and the Nexus Point, then it would never run out of energy like the Mimic did back in book 3 so it could stay in that form permanently all the way up into the present timeframe of SIM series, until it was attacked by another Mimic in book 3.

      Another possible line of events is that a Mimic attacked the Warden and lost but destroyed the Warden’s link to the Nexus Point and the Mimic that had been the Warden was the Mimic that went on a rampage to get the power it needed to stay functional. It may have lost a lot of the memories and powers of the Warden because of the attack on it by the other Mimic. That could explain why it’s power needs were so much greater after the attack on the Warden. (Effectively, it may be hard to distinguish which Mimic went on a rampage, other than by the need for power).

      So a Mimic, with a long term power source, is effectively a way of achieving immortality in the Nameless World, which might be an explanation of why Mimics were created or at least turned into. The Mimics that Nameless World are so afraid of, can be Mimics that have lost their power sources and now have to find power in a different way to survive. They still might be creations of the Faerie. An interesting question is how powerful a Mimic would be if it ever had to deal with a Demon? This is also a possible explanation of one of the visions of the future that the Demon gave to Emily, in that “particular” future Emily might have become (somehow) a Mimic linked to Nexus point, in order to defeat the Necromancer(s). The danger would be that she became the Necromancer when she defeated it.

      I am not saying that she will become a Mimic but that it is a possible future.

      • William Ameling July 11, 2016 at 1:54 am #

        Becoming a Mimic linked to the Nexus Point could be a Temptation that Emily will have to face and resolve to settle her future. The more ties to people (her friends, Caleb, and her mentors, etc. ) she has the easier it will be to resist that temptation. But what if it is the only way that she can see to defeat the Necromancers?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard July 11, 2016 at 2:00 am #

        William, why don’t you visit here: http://thewritersclub.prophpbb.com/

        Chris has a forum there and IMO it needs more visitors. 😀

    • chrishanger July 15, 2016 at 12:05 pm #

      Thank you!

      Chris

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