An Absence of Meat

17 Dec

Apparently – oh, horror of horrors – the Russians hacked the American Presidential Election.

This would be a remarkable feat, if it’s actually true. To ‘hack’ an election suggests, very strongly, that the Russians somehow programmed the American electorate to vote for Donald Trump. Maybe Russian agents stuffed ballot boxes right across the United States. Or maybe the Russians secretly slipped Hillary Clinton drugs to make sure she made a constant stream of unforced mistakes. Or maybe the Russians worked hard to convince the democrats they were winning when they were actually losing. Or maybe they just donated to the Clinton Foundation.

The interesting thing about this, the latest attempt to delegitimize President-Elect Donald Trump, is that there is hardly any meat to the story at all.

Apparently (at least to the best of my knowledge) there has been no official determination by the CIA that the Russians interfered, in any way more serious than the average meddling by American politicians in foreign elections. ‘Unnamed government/CIA sources’ prove nothing beyond rumour. Where is the evidence?

As far as I can tell, the worst – realistic – charge levelled against the Russians is that they backed Wikileaks and provided support in hacking the DNC. This may be true, although Wikileaks has denied it. Of course, the Russians might simply have watched Wikileaks go to work … and done nothing, either to help or hinder their project. It was a Russian who coined the term ‘useful idiots’ and Wikileaks – and people like Snowden – often serve Russian interests without actually taking orders from Moscow. The Russians have ample reason to be pleased at the results of the election without lifting a finger to interfere.

If this is true, where is the evidence?

Much has been said over the last week, of varying degrees of credibility. The files were actually sent, we have been told, by a rogue democrat within the DNC. No, the DNC computer security was weak and the hacks happened because they opened the wrong emails and followed instructions designed to open holes in their security. Or hackers right across the world managed to get in through brute-force measures. Or …

All of this is beside the point. The important detail here, as far as I can see, is this. There would be no evidence of criminal (or at least dubious) behaviour if there hadn’t actually been criminal (or at least dubious) behaviour. Thanks to Wikileaks, we now know:

-The DNC rigged the nomination process to ensure that Hillary Clinton would win. More creditable candidates were frozen out, preventing the democrats from escaping the Hillary Quagmire.

-The Mainstream Media served as an appendage to the Clinton Campaign, to the point where they shrilled for Hillary and tipped the scale in her favour. They even outright cheated by coordinating attacks against Donald Trump and sending her debate questions in advance.

-Hillary Clinton continued to take funds from big business and foreign sources, even though some of her own advisers were deeply worried about the ‘optics’ of such dealings. At best, this was a ‘pay to play’ system; at worst, this was an outright attempt to bribe a future president. Note that many of those foreign sources include nations that are effectively enemy states, including Saudi Arabia.

-Hillary Clinton was cold, dismissive and utterly heedless of her rapidly-declining personal image. She and her senior advisors ignored significant problems, as well as advice from Bill Clinton (of all people) that they were in serious danger of losing. Insulting large swathes of the American population was a losing proposition and Bill, to give him credit, realised it.

In short, the DNC’s credibility is at rock bottom – and we’re meant to trust it?

Look at it this way. There’s a scene in The Fourth Protocol where a British ‘gentleman thief’ burgles an important government official. He discovers evidence that the official was spying for Russia and forwards the evidence to MI5. Does the fact that this evidence was obtained illegally, in the truest possible sense, somehow excuse the official for his treason? Should his crimes be forgotten because the evidence came from a thief?

Blaming Hillary’s defeat on the Russians – the latest in a series of villains, according to die-hard Hillary supporters – means ignoring the many significant mistakes she made during the campaign. Worse, it means ignoring the simple fact that the DNC ignored both the demands of politics and the opinions of the ‘little people.’ Hillary listened to supporters with big bank accounts, not genuine Americans. She deserved to lose.

But there is another point here.

It is very difficult for the US to complain about Russian interference in American elections, for the very simple reason that the US has spent a significant proportion of the last eight years doing the same. Even Hillary admits that Putin had ample reason to want to give her a taste of her own medicine, as she was a major player in such meddling. What is worse, perhaps, is that America is strikingly bad at it. Obama going to Britain to insist that Britain stayed in the EU probably played a major role in BREXIT.

In the end, however, all the evidence suggests that the Russian contribution – if indeed there was any significant contribution – was minimal. Hillary Clinton lost the vote through her own miscalculations.

She lost. Get over it.

44 Responses to “An Absence of Meat”

  1. Steve Callaway December 17, 2016 at 9:46 pm #


    I predict there will be protests across the country on Monday night that may turn into riots. The most fervent democrats have been kept in a high state of false hope, anger, and despair by the ‘Russian hacking’ lifeline thrown to them. What do you think could happen?

    • Steve Callaway December 20, 2016 at 1:47 am #

      Um…About that riot prediction I made….

      In the words of Lloyd Christmas “Boy, was I waaaay off!”

  2. James Stubbins December 17, 2016 at 10:15 pm #

    Saudi Arabia is not the enemy of America, it just happens to be filled with citizens who hate the US. In truth, a case could be made for the concept that US support for Saudi Arabia created the jihadists.

    If ever there was a country whose government deserves to fail, they are it.

    Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________

  3. Don December 18, 2016 at 12:23 am #

    Why do you need to post this?

    Trump won. He is filling his cabinets with his fellow rich white guys that has pro Putin feelings. Trump at the end does not care since he won.

    “-The DNC rigged the nomination process to ensure that Hillary Clinton would win. More creditable candidates were frozen out, preventing the democrats from escaping the Hillary Quagmire.”

    It was not Hilary – it was Bill Clinton who started the US government helping rich get richer and rest getting screwed by them. Sanders would of been on the side of have-nots.

    “-The Mainstream Media served as an appendage to the Clinton Campaign, to the point where they shrilled for Hillary and tipped the scale in her favour. They even outright cheated by coordinating attacks against Donald Trump and sending her debate questions in advance.”

    Please as if RNC don’t get the same eg FOX. Also Donald got most of the coverage and any publicity is good thing is shown by Donald winning

    “-Hillary Clinton continued to take funds from big business and foreign sources, even though some of her own advisers were deeply worried about the ‘optics’ of such dealings. At best, this was a ‘pay to play’ system; at worst, this was an outright attempt to bribe a future president. Note that many of those foreign sources include nations that are effectively enemy states, including Saudi Arabia.”

    Wow. From looking at the cabinet Donald selected same from him. Oil guy getting State? When US let Oil guys set foreign policy was when they removed democratic government of Iran. Very short gain for the oil guys but very long pain that costing lots of lives and money for the west even now and long time in the future. Looking forward to what self centered policy will come out now.

    “-Hillary Clinton was cold, dismissive and utterly heedless of her rapidly-declining personal image. She and her senior advisors ignored significant problems, as well as advice from Bill Clinton (of all people) that they were in serious danger of losing. Insulting large swathes of the American population was a losing proposition and Bill, to give him credit, realised it.”

    I agree that Hillary doesn’t take responsibility for losing to Donald. Even now it is everything and everyone else that is at fault for losing an election that Hillary should of won. But don’t forget she won the popular vote. Then Donald even now saying election fraud.

    As you said US don’t have a leg to stand on when talking about influencing foreign governments as they been doing it for long long time. eg South America.

    But it is not coming from DNC but from the US intelligence agencies that Russia influence the elections and but Republicans and Democrats talk about this so your argument does not work to just blame this as “fake news” generated by DNC.

    “What is worse, perhaps, is that America is strikingly bad at it. Obama going to Britain to insist that Britain stayed in the EU probably played a major role in BREXIT.”

    I think that you are doing your fellow BREXIT voters disservice in saying that they just simplified to a point that they vote because of this one very minor point in the campaign. As your argument that Russian influencing of US election was just minor point. You can either or neither not have a cake and eat it as Tories seem to want to do as their BREXIT strategy.

    Well from his cabinet picks and his actions after the elections that you will be seeing Systemic corruption that you would of seen from Hillary but also in your face personal corruption from the same sources as Hillary. Drain the swamp my ass.

    At the end I think this is a fight not about political spectrum as in right and left but about haves and have nots since money flowing into but RNC and DNC is from same haves in the world.

    I would be laughing when if this keeping as it is that we will be going through what Russia and French went through when gap between the poor and rich was so huge with far too small middle class.

    As same as what Republicans plan to cut deeply both cooperate tax and social security as Tories are doing in Britain. As just about managing can’t manage at all is when angry in developed societies that is there going to exploded. This is when 2nd amendment rights come into play.

  4. Billy December 18, 2016 at 12:34 am #

    I figured it out:

    The Liberals (Democrats) are poisoning the well. Burning the crops and buildings that losing armies do as they retreat.

    They know Trump and everyone who voted for Trump would like to see Russia become if not a friend, then at least friendly and a country to help against ISIS and perhaps China.
    (And if friendly, Russia would downgrade its aggressive behavior)

    The Liberal Democrats see that hope.

    So, they are trying to poison the well , because nuclear war with Russia would be preferable to Trump making friends with them. As that would be a feather in Trumps hat.

    Someone may ask: What about all the dead people that would come from war with Russia ? Can’t the Liberal Dems see that ?

    they are the people pushing abortion. They think the earth already has to many people. Getting rid of 1/2 of them is the dream of the Liberal Democrats.

    So, like I said its a scorched earth policy of a losing army on their way out.

    They don’t want Trump to be able to say: Look I have turned things around with the Russians.

    • Katharina I. December 18, 2016 at 2:04 am #

      ‘They are the people…’ ‘they are trying to poison the well…”. WE are people just as much as ‘you people’- even if we want to allow women to live healthy, happy lives instead of insisting that women are really only human incubators. I also believe that you should watch your sarcasm… as the granddaughter of a man who at sixteen deserted the German army during world war two for his moral beliefs despite the risk of execution I find hideously offensive to be accused of wanting to murder half of the world’s population.

    • thundercloud47 December 18, 2016 at 2:58 am #

      Most of the Nuclear missile silos are located in the Red states. The Russians would target them first. Most of the liberals live on the East and West coast. Perhaps they believe that they will survive this plus get rid of a bunch of us deplorable people who live in the flyover zone. They could then have their social justice utopia.

      Anyone with the slightest knowledge of nuclear weapons knows that both coasts will be just as screwed as the red states in a nuclear war. It’ll just take them longer to die.

      Back in the 50’s and 60’s kids were taught a lot about nuclear war and fallout patterns. I remember those classes very well. Things like that would not be taught today because it might damage the children. The thing I learned in those classes was that war has consequences and if you want to avoid war your nation has to be strong militarily.

    • Don December 18, 2016 at 5:09 am #

      @Billy that is why Trump is poking China instead. Nice one.

  5. Don December 18, 2016 at 12:35 am #

    Also why write about Hillary?

    She is a has been as is the DNC.
    All the power at Federal level and majority of the State is in Trump and RNC’s hands.

    Now it is all about Trump and RNC and what they are doing as they can do anything they want and DNC can’t stop them.

    Should be focus on Trump’s attack against China and conflict of interest.

    But poll shows that Republican voters don’t care about above so……

  6. Kevin Moore December 18, 2016 at 2:25 am #

    I would point out that GW Bush changed America to mandatory electronic ballots. The security is so weak that a first-year computer science class at MIT was able to hack the local system and alter the voting totals in about half an hour. Nothing whatsoever has been done to upgrade security since this came to light.
    America has seen its first Black president. It now appears to have its first Lycanthrope president. Our president elect certainly seems to be such through his behavior.

    • William Ameling December 18, 2016 at 4:03 am #

      Western Liberals, particularly USA but also European, have forgotten what it means to play the GREAT GAME of nations. The Great Game got absorbed into the Cold War and they think it died when the Cold War ended.To them it is part of the rubbish of the past that they want to forgot and do not want teach about in the educational systems that they mostly control and dominate. Many of the younger liberals never really even learned about it. Admittedly, the Americans viewed the colonialism and Imperialism parts of the Great Game differently than the European countries did, and those things have been greatly changed, but the Great Game still exists in a changed form.

      Sorry, but the Russians and the Chinese are busy playing the Great Game, while they do not even recognize it. They forget that Syria has been in the Russian Sphere of Influence for 50 to 60 years and think that they can just walk in and support the badly divided rebels with badly divided goals, and that the Russians would do nothing to support Assad and his family plus their supporters. They had no clear idea of how to effectively win (if it was even possible) in Syria and now hundreds of thousands of people have been killed and turned into refugees. They think that we can expand NATO and/or the European Union up to the very borders of Russia, i.e. the Baltic States, Poland, and Ukraine without drawing a reaction from Russia, and are surprised by what happened in the Ukraine when Russia reacted.

      The Liberals are going to lose because they do not even understand that the Great Game is still being played, much less how to play it. They think that Nations, patriotism, and national identities are things of the past; and are looking to what they think will be the future, while the past can never defeat them because it is dying or dead.

      Most of them would never volunteer to serve in the militaries of their respective countries and have no idea of what makes those militaries work, how to motivate and support them, and most IMPORTANT how to USE (and not use) them correctly. To the Liberals the military is their competition for funds, power, and influence. It is not not something that can support them.

      • Don December 18, 2016 at 5:11 am #

        Blaming all the problems on the Liberals are stupid as it is to blame all on the right.

        As I said it is the haves in the world that is screwing you as all the parties get their money from big business and the rich.

    • georgephillies December 20, 2016 at 6:43 pm #

      Paper ballots, electronically scanned but available for recount, are both allowed and standard. Paper ballots, hand counted, are allowed.

  7. randallberger December 18, 2016 at 8:32 am #

    Young Chris …

    I think there is a lot more at play here than what you touched upon.

    I do a weekly podcast on US Politics with another expat American mate here in Australia …THE BILL SHOW – THE WEEK IN POLITICS … it’s on iTunes and other podcaster sites … we recorded show #166 last night on just these points.

    On December 19th, the Electoral College votes to confirm Donald Trump … or otherwise. This is the fail safe or emergency brake put in the US Constitution by Alexander Hamilton among others for just such an instance … to avoid a demagogue, an unqualified person or undue influence by a foreign power.

    They may reject Trump, confirm him, find a third party and draft them, choose Hillary or even Bernie Sanders. They can even send it to the House of Representatives. Those 538 eminent people are the final arbiters and it is a secret ballot.

    And let’s visit the subject again in a couple of days … a lot can happen.


    • Maggie December 18, 2016 at 4:20 pm #

      And blood would run in the streets. Is this what you want?

      • bc December 18, 2016 at 7:32 pm #

        No there would be no blood at first. Those on the right would not riot in the streets like the left, they would just go into their HR dept. and change their with-holding and when April 15th comes they would file for an extension. If 1 million people do this there would have to be a special emergency session of congress. If ten million do it the government collapses. Democrats could do this as well but it only works for middle class tax payers and the republicans have a greater proportion of those.

      • Don December 19, 2016 at 9:49 am #

        Blood, it seem what you want. Don’t blame someone else for your choice.

        Electoral College is why Trump is elected. Don’t cry about it and threaten violences when you don’t get what you want as you would expect from Hillary and her supporters as if (BIG IF) electors vote as they are supposed to.

  8. ethan December 18, 2016 at 4:01 pm #

    I agree COMPLETLY 100,000,000%. Clinton’s supporters should face it. She lost and Trump won.

  9. Steve Callaway December 18, 2016 at 4:36 pm #

    “The most fervent democrats have been kept in a high state of false hope, anger, and despair” —-does my first post not describe many of the following posts?

    • Conrad C Bassett, Jr. December 18, 2016 at 8:14 pm #

      Oh it’s not just the Democrats but the American people in general. Social media and instance access to unverified information has created a firestorm of propaganda that has run rampant through our society.

  10. Conrad C Bassett, Jr. December 18, 2016 at 8:10 pm #


    Contrary to popular opinion. Hacking is illegal. The founding fathers framed the election process to prevent influence from outside sources and any interference is a threat to our democracy. Whether Trump won or lost as a result of this interference is not the issue and should not become a partisan issue. What is an issue is whether or not Russia attempted to and succeeded in hacking the US political process in order to delegitimize it. Both parties should be very concerned about this, and take action to remedy this situation and see to it that it doesn’t happen ever. All of this vitriol about the left from the right has no place in this discussion. What does is that a sovereign nation has had it’s electoral process interfered with by an outside party. We have seen fake news, and hacked e-mails being distributed to the public. Remember both the DNC and RNC were hacked. Only the DNC e-mails were released. Bernie Sanders and I do like him ran as an independent, so the DNC had no responsibility to put him forth as the Democratic Candidate. Any more than Ross Perrot, Ron Paul, or any other third party candidate in the past have received the same treatment from the RNC.

    • Steve Callaway December 18, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

      As long as no evidence has been shown that links wikileaks to the Russians hacking – or any hacking at all – the rest of the debate is all theoretical.

      I note a remarkable selective analysis for the founding father’s vision, and final product. The Constitution would not have been ratified without the states with the smaller populations receiving the EC remedy, that the cities of New York, Boston, and Philly would not dictate to the rural populations. It is the same principle now that stops the coastal population centers from dictating to the heartland. That heartland is not going to allow the EC to be changed anymore than they will let this election to be changed by hidden evidence and anonymous sources.

      • Conrad C Bassett, Jr. December 18, 2016 at 10:02 pm #

        Evidence? Both the CIA and the FBI have stated that Russia is involved in the hacking. This information is known and there will be a hearing to address the evidence found. As to whether or not the so called heartland was dictated to by Washington, here are the facts. Yes, they did dictate policies to the rural communities. If you bother to look at the slave designation of 3/5s a person clearly shows that throughout the founding of this nation that all aspects of what is covered was subjected to intense debate. At the time there was no heartland to speak of as the US only covered the original 13 colonies. In fact, historically what’s called the heartland was subjected to dictation by Washington before the territories were allowed statehood. For example, in the Oklahoma territories women could vote but they had to give that up in order to join the union and become a state.

  11. Billy December 18, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

    The FAKE News rant by the Liberal Democrats is the same thing , they are trying to * Poison the Well * Or burn the crops etc on the way out of power.

    Because, they (The Democrats) know that the only Fake News is the Liberal Media.

    Almost 100 percent of the so called Fake News comes from CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and all the other Liberal News sites.

    Calling real news as Fake News is the same thing.

    The last gasp of a massive Fail in this election by the Democrats.

    They are burning the bridge behind them on the way out. (And everything else they can)

    • Don December 19, 2016 at 12:40 am #

      @Billy get off your high horse about Liberal Democrats. That is old news.

      All news from major media is bs. Even fox because when I watch fox I see in your face bias especially Tucker.

      Also people keep in mind that major media is control by the rich and major companies which pay for advertising that influence what and how it is covered by them. eg. No major coverage about how Conservative Republic government is using insane tactics to remove the pipeline protesters. As in big government and big company stepping on the little guys like you and me want to do whatever they want so they can make more money. Don’t worry about protecting the environment or even drinking water for the communities around it.

      That is what your Conservative Republicans are doing and those Liberal News are helping them.

      As I said it is more about haves (Ultra rich) and us as both parties get their money from same source and they are working for that interest.

      You think that Trump won because of he been Conservative Republican and Hillary lost because she was Liberal Democrat then you don’t understand what this election cycle was about.

      So Billy get over about your rant against Liberal Democrats and get with the reality.

      • randallberger December 19, 2016 at 1:27 am #

        I honestly can’t wait for Trump supporters to wake up to the fact that they have been had … no wall, no Hillary prosecution, no Muslim registry and deportations, no jobs brought home … all they got was a hat and a slogan.

  12. randallberger December 18, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

    “There will be blood in the streets …” No, I certainly don’t want that, but this whole election process started coming off the rails years ago …

    Hillary Clinton now has 3 million more popular votes than Donald Trump … an enormous margin. The DNC is as guilty as the RNC for pushing agendas. I have always preferred Bernie Sanders, but he was pushed out by Hillary.Inc.

    The “Russians” hacked both the DNC and RNC, but only released the DNC info … heaven knows what the RNC info is … maybe blackmail material! Maybe they have Trump in a “honey trap” with his predilection for young girls that look like his daughter, Ivanka.

    The prospective Secretary of State is head of Exxon and has a Medal of Friendship from Vlad … what is that about? Maybe the oil reserves in the Arctic?

    The Divided States of America need to be united again. I don’t know how the “founding fathers” knew this would happen in 1791, but it has.

    The Electoral College may have originally been stacked in favour of the Southern States because of slavery, but if it works the way it was intended … as a safety valve, not a rubber stamp … then Donald Trump will NOT be confirmed as President.

    The Electoral College made a difference a few times … the most recently in 2000 when there was no clear winner for 36 days … I guess it pays to have a brother who is Governor of the state that made the difference. Al Gore knew 9/11 was coming, GW Bush just tossed off his daily briefings … At least Hillary has experience … Trump is getting maybe one briefing in seven … “I am a kind of smart guy” … *shudder*

    In 1876, Rutherford B Hayes won neither the popular vote or Electoral College, but was a compromise to heal the South and end Reconstruction.

    I was in the US on the night of the election … it was like watching a train wreck, from inside the train! It just felt wrong … maybe it was … let’s see on January 20th when someone is inaugurated President of the USA.

    • JJ Reuter December 13, 2017 at 1:36 pm #

      And the 3 million could have very well been illegals and dead people. Our founders put in the electoral college for this very reason. Don’t like it? Move somewhere else or amend the Constitution.

  13. Steve Callaway December 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

    Don, It seems to me that every single paragraph of that post contains your opinion packaged as facts, things that you can’t honestly claim to know.

    • Steve Callaway December 19, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

      Apologies.. I meant Randall, not Don.

      • randallberger December 20, 2016 at 10:49 pm #

        Thank you, Steve! I would be interested to know which of those points you feel are my opinion or speculation.

        Most of it is history … apart from Drumpty Dumpty having a taste for grabbing 13 year old virgin pussy … or corn-holing gullible voters like yourself.

        The Divided States of America has become a reality TV show and the whole world is tuning in. You’ve been suckered … punked … by this shyster and his family.

        I think I’ll watch THE WEST WING again and imagine what a good President Jeb Bartlett would make. I know how THE APPRENTICE PRESIDENT is going to end.

      • Steve Callaway December 20, 2016 at 11:51 pm #

        Read my last post. It will explain why I didn’t respond to you. It feel the discussion would be pointless.

  14. Glen Romero December 19, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

    First as you stated earlier you have no pony in this because you aren’t a citizen. I the one stuck in a country that I have fought for that has the very real possibility of having a president being removed form office for conflict of interest. Next The actual story of that Russian hackers influenced the election not hacked the election for which you are correct about that being a much harder, but still not impossible task. Ask yourself would you want a prime minister that was basically sanctioned by a country that was not on friendly term with your country? What the hackers did was get information and released it in a slow drip over the course of the election to take attention away from the stupid stuff the president elect was saying. His pick for Secretary of State that has ties to Russia. This same president elect basically thanked the hackers and told them to keep up the good work. So when you’re slamming people for being salty about bad situation get the story correct. We had the choice between a giant douche and a shit sandwich, either way we were screwed.

  15. shrekgrinch December 19, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

    Did the Russians make her set up that email server? Did the Russians put a bunch of other emails on Anthony Wiener’s laptop? Did the Russians make Anthony Wiener send smut pics to underaged girls and thus fall under FBI investigation that led to them finding that laptop and the emails on it?

    Did the Russians set up a bogus foundation for the Clintons that they used as a back-door bribery vehicle? Did the Russians force the Clintons to use it as such?

    Did the Russians force Hillary to lie just about every other time she opened her mouth?

    Did the Russians make Hillary collapse in front of all those cameras at the 9/11 ceremony?

    Did the Russians make Hillary treat Bernie supporters like lepers in their own party?

    To your average Democrat in Denial, they did apparently.

    • Conrad Bassett Jr. December 20, 2016 at 1:52 am #

      Nope! The Russians didn’t make her set up the email server. However, many of the Secretaries of State have done the same thing. If you want to condemn her then condemn them all. What does her collapsing have to do with anything ?

      Oh the foundation isn’t bogus at all unlike Donald Trump’s foundation that was used to fund his campaign . Maybe you should pay more attention to real news and not fake news .

  16. Don December 19, 2016 at 10:04 pm #

    Well I think this Russian hack scandal will be Trump’s birther for length of his term. Bad small that call into question his legitimacy as President that can never be removed.

    Karma is a bitch.

    • shrekgrinch December 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm #

      Only on Planet Don.

      Within 6 months, nobody is even going to remember this except all those suffering from incurable Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      • Don December 20, 2016 at 1:29 am #

        Well we will see if you are right or me.

      • shrekgrinch December 20, 2016 at 9:57 pm #

        We already know I am 90% correct because right now nobody but the TDS folks cares about it.

    • randallberger December 20, 2016 at 2:05 am #

      I agree with you … but he’s shaken off worse … The Trump U Con and settlement, the rape of the 13 year old, the tax returns, the five bankruptcies, etc.

      I also expect there may be difficulties getting some of this cabinet appointments confirmed … CEO of Exxon as Secretary of State?

      I just feel sorry for all those Trump supporters who are going to realise they have been bent over the ballot box and cornholed by the Trump Machine … they’ll try to put on a brave face, but this may make 2008 look like a picnic.

  17. georgephillies December 20, 2016 at 5:21 am #

    One might propose that the Russian leaked all the info that the RNC was trying to rig the nomination in favor of Trump, there being none of this. In the end, in order for a leak to do damage, there must be damaging information. The situation appears to be going in a rather negative direction.

    • Don December 20, 2016 at 6:34 am #

      Well RNC getting their instruction from their masters the big business to enrich themselves and screw us. That would be interesting reading.

  18. Steve Callaway December 20, 2016 at 5:35 pm #

    I herd Newt use a term that makes a very strong point: “Islamic Supremacists.” After this election, seeing all the people protesting the result because they know what is best: “Liberal Supremacists.” They appear to think of their ideas as facts and facts appear as fantastical lies. Any thoughts? Am I wrong? I give an example of the woman screaming “this is my America. You don’t belong to be here” to the room full of lawful electors, who were completing a mundane task that has been, so normal as to be boring.

    • Conrad Bassett Jr. December 21, 2016 at 10:20 am #

      Revisionist history. I hate the term conservative versus liberal . Neither have any real meaning. They’re just more euphemisms for larger problem . The fact is the people who were against Obama supporters Trump believed Obama was a secret Muslim that wasn’t born in the country . Despite all the evidence to the contrary facts didn’t matter. Now people are claiming that it’s what folks called the Liberals, are the ones not using evidence. During the Obama years congresses number one goal was to see to it that nothing got done about anything in Washington DC . They said this themselves. Those are what people called Conservatives . So let’s not play games the facts are the facts. It’s the liberals that deal in evidence and the conservatives that claim their word is law.

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