Hope and Fear

13 Nov

The world did not end on Tuesday 8th.

Not that you’d know it from some of the articles online. Or from the news media as it struggles to cope with the simple fact that bloggers – like me – called it for Trump while the MSM was so deeply involved with Clinton that it missed the significance of cultural change in the United States. To them, it’s the end of the world.

People who have taken Trump’s victory badly fall into three categories.

The Scolds have spent the last four days telling off America for daring to vote for Donald Trump. They are shaking their (hopefully metaphorical) fingers at Trump voters, calling them stupid or racist or homophobic … the old dirge that no one believes any longer. They cannot believe that they, the enlightened, could possibly have been wrong. And so they are blaming every last Trump voter rather than taking a good hard look in the mirror. They have been wrong so often that their opinions can be safely discounted.

The Cry-babies have been moaning and whining and crying. Like children, they allowed their emotions to overload their reason; like children, they throw tantrums when they don’t get what they want and they don’t know how to cope with it. And, also like children, they clung to a simple narrative and ignored the shades of grey. Some of them have turned violent, reminding every reasonable adult why children are not allowed adult freedoms; others are seeking to recast themselves as the victims of the whole affair, rather than either spectators or guilty parties. Their refusal to engage their brains before putting their mouths in gear means that their opinions can be safely discounted.

And then we have the Concerned.

Many of my friends are Concerned. Some of them believe that Trump is inherently a bad man, a monster who will do monstrous things. Some of them believe that Trump will seek out military conflict, either because his feelings were hurt or because he may feel America has to make a stand as soon as possible. Some of them believe that Trump’s victory will unleash reactionary forces across America, that there will be an upswing in racism and sexism and general unpleasantness. And some of them believe that Trump is by no means qualified to be President.

(Yes, I listen to people on the other side. Sue me.)

There are actually a number of very good reasons for believing that President Trump will not be a monster, neither the political reincarnation of Buchannan or Nixon.

First, Trump won the nomination – and the election – because he tapped into the feelings of a great mass of people (mainly Republicans) who felt that they had been left behind by the changing nation. Those people have sensed their strength, even as Trump used them to crush his opponents and rise to win election. Those people will not respond well to any form of Trump betrayal. Conservatives, historically more suspicious of the growth in government power, will continue to retake power in the Republican Party – despite Trump, if necessary. I think the push to limit the power of the federal government will continue.

Second, Trump will not have a free ride from either the Mainstream Media or the Alternate Media. The Mainstream Media, once it gets over its freak-out about Trump winning, will no doubt try to continue to undermine him. And while the alternate media will be more Trump-friendly, it will also be sceptical of the government, regardless of who is in the White House.

Third, and ironically, society has changed. These are not the days of Jim Crow. The vast majority of Americans are tolerant of homosexuality, for example, even if they find it distasteful. One does not need approval, merely tolerance. Combined with a belief that the federal government should not be poking into people’s private lives, I don’t think homosexuals have much to fear from Trump’s America. The time when homosexuals could be subject to large scale discrimination, at least in America, is over. And this is true of many other groups. We may well see a much-deserved crackdown on Black Lives Matter, but I don’t think there will be a mass return to Jim Crow.

Fourth, Trump has many admirable qualities. He has known failure, he has known opposition … and he has adapted, reacted and overcome. He can pick subordinates who know what they’re doing (one sign of a good manager). Trump is smart enough to reach out to potential partners, to understand their points of view and try to come up with a compromise they can live with. And he isn’t weak enough to back off the moment he is challenged, the moment someone calls his bluff. Trump will not give up.

And fifth, consider this.

The news media was in the tank for Hillary Clinton. She had everything on her side. Could it be possible, just barely, that the impression they crafted of Donald Trump was just a teeny bit exaggerated? That they made mountains out of molehills? That their hysteria came from a desperate desire to anoint Hillary as the first female president rather than perform objective reporting?

Not everyone will agree with this, of course. But it is food for thought.

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58 Responses to “Hope and Fear”

  1. shrekgrinch November 13, 2016 at 8:58 am #

    I live and work in Silicon Valley. San Francisco, actually.

    Let me tell you, there is no real difference between the Scolds and Crybabies. They are often and usually the same person. Hence why I call them the Crybullies, instead.

    And..many of them are completely whacked. WHACKED. And yes, I was prepared for this because they were the same way when Kerry lost (the media was telling them right up until late election night that Bush was toast…only to find out the harsh truth otherwise). But this time is much, much worse. They didn’t riot over Kerry. They didn’t march down the streets with signs that say, “RAPE LAURA[Bush]!” like they do with signs that say “RAPE MELANIA!”.

    And they are looking for a target. A bonafide conservative to take it out on. Psychological Projection City, baby!

    Which I am. I am their piñata. Mostly on-line. (I keep my mouth shut at work but most of my co-workers know). See, in San Francisco the phrase ‘coming out of the closet’ these days means, “Admitting you are a conservative at work.”

    And I am definitely more motivated about relocating out of state, too. To a red state. When Governor Moonbeam and the Dems in Sacramento demand that I sew patches with the letter ‘T’ onto my clothing, that will be the Last Call for the smart to leave.

    But you are correct Chris in saying that from the big picture view their views don’t matter. Just because I have to keep in mind that they matter in my particular situation because I have to watch out for my physical and professional security doesn’t change that.

    And that gives me hope. Hope that Trump really does make some transformational changes (which it sure seems to be happening).

    • Sithicus November 15, 2016 at 12:32 am #

      Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment 😉

      • Jack Hudler November 15, 2016 at 1:20 am #

        Without Hope, humanity is a bunch of monkeys having fecal wars.

    • Chris November 17, 2016 at 10:49 pm #

      I just thought of an upside to Trump being President.

      Now you will be able to compare Bush the 2nd to someone in his league.

      My 2 cents.

  2. Don Yu November 13, 2016 at 9:08 am #

    Well hope you are right but Trump seem to be softening his stance on many of his promises. Also he seem to be surrounding himself with extreme right of the Republican establishment.

    When the Wall Street recover from Wednesday then you have to think they know something like Trump is listening to them and willing to make a deal. Trump is not going to change the status quo.

    I really hope Trump is for change and “drain the swamp” not just to make himself rich – more rich.

    • FarWalker November 13, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

      I doubt seriously that Trump ran for president so that he could line his pockets like the Clintons did. Moreover, I would point out that rhere were no negative stories about President elect Trump from folks who work/worked for him either in the past or currently despite the fact that the Democrats offered bounties for such stories. That alone tells me that Trump is really a pretty decent guy.

      • Don Yu November 14, 2016 at 6:43 am #

        Well he is been sued 75 currently so it seems that not everyone is happy. Also when he does not fold his holding into a blind trust during his term also tells me that his business is more important then the country.

      • FarWalker November 14, 2016 at 6:21 pm #

        Don every business of any significance has been sued multiple times and has also brought many of their own lawsuits. Yes, Trump is currently involved in approximately 75 lawsuits almost all of which involve his businesses. He is the plaintiff in a number of them. The fact that he is involved in litigation does not make him a bad person. It is the cost of doing business in America these days. Also the fact that he does not put his businesses into a trust while he is president doesn’t.’t mean a thing. The businesses will be run by his family. There is no law obligating him to put his businesses into a trust and run by fiduciaries. I am certain his family business operations will be more transparent than the Clinton foundation. In any event, the liberal left and mainstream media will certainly be on the lookout for any alleged impropriety.

      • Don Yu November 15, 2016 at 8:07 am #

        Conflict of interest. Major one since he is President.

      • Jack Hudler November 15, 2016 at 11:39 am #

        And this is different from Clinton…

    • shrekgrinch November 14, 2016 at 8:08 pm #

      “Well hope you are right but Trump seem to be softening his stance on many of his promises.”

      To disarm the enemy. 🙂

      But only time will tell by watching what he DOES vs what he says.

    • Jack Hudler November 15, 2016 at 1:27 am #

      If you look at what Trump has changed his mind on, they don’t really matter much and is more of a face saving measure for Obama. The special prosecutor will have to wait until the Attorney General I have looked at all the evidence and decided if it requires a special prosecutor. Trump cannot by law order the Attorney General to appoint said prosecutor. Of course there’s nothing preventing him from appointing an AG that would be so inclined.

  3. William Ameling November 13, 2016 at 10:47 am #

    Like you said the people complaining about Trump’s win need to take a very long look in the mirror. (In fact they need to be trapped in a house of mirrors for several days). They do not seem to realize that there were a lot of Democratic Party voters who voted for Obama in two elections who just could NOT vote for Hillary, EVEN when she was running against Trump. They just did not bother to vote at all, at least for President.

    I wonder if anyone will study the voting results to find out many people did vote Democratic or Republican on the rest of their ballot, but voted for no one, wrote in, or voted for 3rd party candidates for President. I think the results would interesting.

    I find it amazing that the Democratic Party could not find a State Governor or even a Big City Mayor in their 40s or 50s to run for President (particularly from Michigan, Pennsalvania, or Wisconsin, or even Florida). They should have realized what a flawed candidate she was. At least Trump ran and won against a lot of Republicans (who were expected to win) in the primaries. The Democratic Party had to rig the primary and convention system so that she could beat Bernie Sanders (and it cost them with their own voter base in the general election). (I wonder how many Bernie voters voted for Trump rather than Hillary).

    I also think that Bernie Sanders and Trump have added a second Populist dimension to the normal Republican-Democratic axis. Both major Parties need to have their standard assumptions and certainties shattered. A win by Hillary would not have done it.

    Also by controlling the House, Senate, and the Presidency the Republicans will have no fig leaves to cover themselves with if they can not deliver a workable package of laws, policies and regulations to the American people. If they can not deliver, then the Democrats will get the chance to control it all in 4 (or 8) years. The Republicans have to get away from the Tea Party and realize that the Federal government does need to spend money on many things and not just lower taxes and increase the deficit. We have gone too long not spending enough on our roads, bridges, and many other forms of infrastructure needed to support the 21st century economy.

    The people who are worried about Jim Crow (anti Black), anti gay, anti immigrant, etc STILL do not get why Trump got elected. Things have changed too much in this country for even most (almost all) Republicans in government and the Republican voters to support such things. They want something to replace the failed economic, medical, and social policies of the extremely Liberal wing of the Democratic Party. I would have been a lot more worried if Ted Cruz had had enough support to win the Presidency, but even he is not anti Black, etc.

    • shrekgrinch November 14, 2016 at 8:32 pm #

      “I find it amazing that the Democratic Party could not find a State Governor or even a Big City Mayor in their 40s or 50s to run for President”

      Why? That isn’t how it ‘works’. Both parties have this tendency to pick candidates because ‘it is their time’. Dole and McCain for the GOP. The uncharismatic Bush in the primaries of 2105. For the left, Mondale and Kerry come to mind.

      Clinton is in a class all of her own. Plus, Dems who wanted a woman in ’08 but got screwed by the Sexist Obama primary voters were bought off with promises to have Clinton succeed him.

      SJW agendas ‘trump’ (man…I am starting to LOVE that pun!) common sense and actual electability, after all.

      And, ONLY IN FOUR states. FOUR, do the Dems have both the statehouse and governorship. FOUR…out of FIFTY.

      That’s bad. Real bad.

      As for Congress: GOP does much better at midterms because w/o a charismatic front runner, Dems don’t do well in midterms because many of their voting blocs aren’t motivated enough to vote while the GOP rank-and-file are pretty consistent. Plus, in 2018 Dems will have to defend WAY more of their Senate seats than the GOP does.

      Not to mention that the Dems are in total disarray right now. There WILL BE a civil war between the corrupt Clinton/Obama Dems and the Bernie socialists over control of the party. Whoever wins will have to pick up the pieces at the same time do whatever they can with whatever they have left for the 2018 elections.

      So unless Trump and the GOP screw up badly as you say, it is a given that they will hold the House and likely gain more Senate seats.

    • BobPM November 15, 2016 at 6:09 pm #

      “I find it amazing that the Democratic Party could not find a State Governor or even a Big City Mayor in their 40s or 50s to run for President”

      They did. The Governor of Maryland, Martin O’Malley ran. Seemed to be a pretty good candidate, but couldn’t get any coverage and never picked up steam in the primaries.

  4. Billy November 13, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

    I still have a Trump bumper sticker in my desk drawer and not on my pickup bumper because I don,t want to be attacked or my vehicle destroyed. (And I live in a red state)

    It is odd where I live. The illegals outnumber the citizens by a lot (And when I say a lot I mean 95 percent). Yet they can’t vote.

    So that is why I live in a republican state, If the illegals could vote, we would be a democrat state forever.

    If Trump does bus out the illegals we would go from a town of 25,000 people to about 2,500 overnight. It is that bad.
    (And this is just one small town out of a few million small towns across the USA)

    So, no I don’t have a Trump bumper sticker on my pickup

  5. James Stubbins November 13, 2016 at 7:32 pm #

    Category five: Those who feel that when one candidate gets 48 million votes and is declared the winner even though the other candidate got 50 million votes, the system is proven to be rigged and must be overhauled.

    Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________

    • Les Barrie November 14, 2016 at 1:34 pm #

      The electoral college was originally rigged to favour slave states,it could quite easily be changed but nobody seems interested.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard November 14, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

        Nope, it’s purpose was to lessen the impact of the Larger States.

        The New England States are smaller than States like New York and Virginia.

        Of course, I’ve noticed that it’s only the losers who whine about the College and nobody cares when they “win” the College.

        And yes, when only hear about changing the system after the losers complain.

        Never long before an election.

      • shrekgrinch November 14, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

        Complete BS. You are confusing the Apportionment Clause with the Three-Fifths Compromise. Has nothing to do with the EC as that was already decided anyway.

        You have heard of the phrase “no taxation w/o representation”, I take it? Well that is the core concept that drove the creation of the EC, both Congress chambers and the restrictions on federal levying of Direct Taxes.

        And for the record, the slave states were giving UP representation with that compromise. That was because they didn’t want to be overtaxed (in their view) according to the Apportionment clause. They were trading representation in Congress and the EC for future tax relief, basically.

        Turns out that their fears were unwarranted, too. This is because every federal attempt to levy Direct Taxes in conformity with the Apportionment Clause ended up not working well at the practical level. And the courts threw out all attempts to levy those taxes that circumvented the Apportionment Clause. So the slave states ended up getting the raw end of the deal.

        That is why the 16th amendment was passed — so the Feds could levy the income tax (a direct tax) w/o regards to apportionment, not because they could never levy income taxes at all.

        And it can’t be easily changed. It would require a constitutional amendment to change it…requiring ratification by many low population states who would find it totally against their best interests to do so. Not to mention that out of the 11,372 proposed amendment attempts made so far, only 27 have been approved by Congress and ratified by the states. So much for ‘quite easily be changed’.

      • georgephillies November 18, 2016 at 4:34 pm #

        No, the Electoral college was arranged so that states with large populations did not control everything, recalling that at the time in a fair number of states Electors were chosen by the state legislatures and not by popular vote. That persisted as late as the Tilden-Hayes election, and could have arisen in 2000.

        Also, “slave states” is misleading, as in 1789 almost all states had legal slavery. Massachusetts had effectively abolished it in 1783, but by a legal expedient: If you were a slaveholder and beat your slave, the slave still had legal rights, and could sue you for assault.

        Finally, Chris, and I understand there is an ocean in the way, you are somewhat misinformed about the Black Lives matter movement.

    • Jack Hudler November 18, 2016 at 9:29 pm #

      Five times in our history the Electoral College system did what it was designed to do. Five times out of Forty… I’m at a loss as to why some people want to change genius.

  6. Richard Parks November 13, 2016 at 10:55 pm #

    Great post Christopher. I just can’t get over what these folks that are rioting about. Do they think that just because they are rioting that the election will flip winners in their favor.
    Another thing that makes me mad is the double standard that I see from our media, celibs and of course the democrats that were caught flat footed by this election.
    Do you think that if Clinton had won and folks from the right had of rioted (I don’t believe this would have happened) that they would be saying that they were exercising their right of free speech…. I don’t think so !!!
    They need to give Trump a chance, just like we on the right had to in 2008 when Obama won. While we were unhappy we didn’t cry and make fools of ourselves. Obama didn’t turn out to be the anti-Christ many thought he was as I am sure will happen for Donald Trump.
    So to borrow a phrase from the 60’s “Give peace a chance”

  7. Tim November 13, 2016 at 11:37 pm #

    Count me as one of the concerned.
    I was not so much pro Clinton as anti Trump and do wish the Dems could have picked someone better to lead the party. However, now that the republicans have swept everything I believe they will feel compelled to act. The people who put them there will demand it.
    So for better or worse this nation is going to change significantly in the next few years.
    Tim

  8. bexwhitt November 14, 2016 at 12:35 am #

    The USA is now careering down the tracks at 100 miles an hour with a 50 mile an hour bend in front of it, good luck with that.

  9. Anarchymedes November 14, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    No, the world did not end, and it will not end if Vladimir Putin will become a tsar of it, either. It won’t end if America and the entire West lose their relevance and become like empoverished aristocrats: too proud to either work or beg, desperately remembering their past glory in order to forget the present hunger and humiliation.
    It’s a shame it won’t end. They promised us an apocalypse in 2000, then in 2012 – even made a movie! – but guess what? The damned thing is still there. Crap. I was so looking forward to dance on its bones, I might’ve voted for The Donald myself, had I been American.

  10. Les Barrie November 14, 2016 at 1:39 pm #

    Good points well put,and on how many occasions have the liberal media attacked foreign nations (especially African) for rioting and not accepting democratic election results,these luvies PC clowns are the biggest hypocrites ever.

  11. bexwhitt November 14, 2016 at 2:32 pm #

    The main problem I have with a Trump presidency is Pence, having VP who defers to his religion to make policy is not good. Even the fat bridge blocker from Jersey would have been better, IMOP.

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard November 14, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      IMO that position on “religion” only means that the other person has the “wrong” religion.

      If the other person’s religion caused him to select policies that the speaker approved of, then the speaker would be silent about the other person’s religion.

      • bexwhitt November 14, 2016 at 7:20 pm #

        I’m an atheist so from my POV using religion of any sort in politics is wrong period. Keep it to yourselves it has no place in modern government. Government should be for everybody not just the people in “your club”

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard November 14, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

        When Religious Leaders in the US condemned George W Bush, the rabid “No Religion In Politics” folks were silent.

        Nope, people like you don’t care about Religion when Religion has the same political views as you.

        If Religious Leaders start condemning Trump and you speak out against them, then I’ll believe you and not before.

      • Big Ben November 14, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

        My issue with religious politicians (of any religion) is that they scream bloody murder about infringement on their religious rights when the “state” does something they don’t like, such as Roe v. Wade, gay rights or even teaching evolution in public schools, but are perfectly happy pushing and promoting their ideology as the “law of the land.”
        To them, separation of church and state only goes one way … their way.
        Almost every religion I know of has it’s good points, from Christianity to Islam, Hinduism to Wiccan.
        Let’s take the best ideas from every religion and make laws around those principles, not promote what every mainstream religion has been screaming for centuries, “My way is the only righteous way and the rest of you are damned to hell!”

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard November 14, 2016 at 10:22 pm #

        In other words, you see them as no different from the Left? [Sarcasm]

        I’m against Fanatics, either Religious or Secular.

        I’m tired of certain people thinking that the Religious are the only Fanatics and that all Religious are Fanatics.

  12. Stuart the Viking November 14, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

    I will admit to being in the “I have no idea who will win” camp. Results early in the evening showed Trump winning, then Hillary, then Trump again. It was a bit nerve wracking even though I didn’t want either one of them to win (although I was under no illusion that any other outcome was possible). Admittedly, I wanted Hillary as President a tiny bit less than Trump, so when Trump finally came out on top I was (vaguely, but not really) relieved.

    Well, Trump has 4 years in which to wow us. If after 4 years his detractors are proven wrong, maybe he’ll get another 4. I’m not holding my breath. Although, from the sounds of all the crying and finger pointing (not to mention rioting), the Democrats are still clueless as to how their candidate could possibly have been defeated. So there is no telling what they’ll come up with to run in 4 years.

    The people I find most annoying, however, are the Republicans (Trumpians?) who are crying “Mandate!” and acting like the Democrat party is done for. Sorry folks, Trump’s win in no way “broke the Democrat party’s back”. Trump got as many votes that were “Against Hillary” as he got votes that were “For Trump”.

  13. Johnz November 14, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

    To stir up the flame war: Hillary won the popular vote. Trump won with a fluke. Electoral collage sucks 😀

    If you do not know how to step back and observe the reality, your situation gets messy.

    Just step back and observe. Similar reactions to Obama’s win were in Texas in past elections. Some people wanted to secede the union. Now there are similar idiots in California.

    Step back and observe. Nothing has changed. The same pattern repeats.

    • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard November 14, 2016 at 9:07 pm #

      How Dare You Compare The Righteous Anger Of The Democrats to those racists/bigoted Conservatives!!!! [Very Big Kidding Grin]

    • Stuart the Viking November 15, 2016 at 3:36 pm #

      Yes, the media keeps trumpeting that Hillary “won the popular vote”. However, that may not actually be the complete truth.

      Most states only count their absentee ballots if it is possible that the absentee ballots will effect the outcome. So for instance, if one side wins by 150000 votes, and there is only 100000 absentee ballots, they don’t bother counting them. Why bother since it is mathematically impossible for those ballots to effect the outcome (note, this is just a simplified example, with numbers pulled out of the air).

      My understanding is that because the people who do absentee voting are more often older people and military personnel, absentee ballots generally run 67% Republican to 33% Democrat. Because of the number of absentee ballots that aren’t being counted (see above for why), if these ballots were counted and followed the norm of 67%/33%, Hillary wouldn’t end up winning the popular vote. Admittedly, this particular election, the “norm” has been pretty mangled, but from the stats I’ve seen, over 40 broke pretty heavily for Trump, and I highly suspect that military did also.

  14. Billy November 15, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

    This is why the schools (Some of them) are running all the students outside to protest the Trump win. (Do you really think students would suddenly march out of the schools in mass ? * The Teachers run them out ! )

    The more students a school has the more Taxes it can take from property tax (House Taxes) because that is what funds schools here. The more students a school has, the more they raise house taxes and give that to the schools.

    Even, if those students are illegal aliens.

    There are already laws on the books, that schools can’t have illegal alien students.

    But, past Presidents – Democrat and Republican , have ignored that.

    Trump can (With the stroke of a pen) first take away all the Illegals free lunches (And Breakfast depending on grades)

    Also, make the schools run off the Illegal Kids and on top of that take the information from the schools to deport all those illegal families.

    Here (At least) Illegal Alien students are inching up to 90 percent of total students in the schools.

    If they were to suddenly vanish – on one side of the coin : Everyone’s House/Property Taxes would be cut 90 percent !

    On the other side of the coin – Illegal Aliens are human. And humans try to help each other.

    It reminds me of the Star Trek TV show where a intelligent Virus infects the crew and starts turning the crew into copies of itself.

    First, you want to stop it from entering the crew any more. Then you try to remove it, without hurting it . Next you need a safe place to send the virus that it likes to be more than inside the crew.

    All that is very hard and complex .

    Hopefully our country can survive the treatment, because all the while the virus would be fighting the cure. (In the Star Trek example. )

    • shrekgrinch November 15, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

      All the schools could empty but the property tax won’t be cut unless there is a voter revolt like California had with Propisition 13 in the ’70s.

  15. PuffinMuffin November 15, 2016 at 3:48 pm #

    I just think it’s funny.

    • Jack Hudler November 15, 2016 at 5:52 pm #

      I think it’s hilarious too! Watching Trump play the media and they still don’t see it. It’s just fantastic, haven’t had this much fun since Ronald Reagan!

      • shrekgrinch November 16, 2016 at 12:29 am #

        😉

  16. BobPM November 15, 2016 at 6:29 pm #

    Despite your somewhat condescending categories, you seem to leave out, maybe you simply dismiss, the environmentalist opposition to Trump. As a former oilfield geologist, I have spent some time looking at global warming issues and believe at a minimum we are playing Russian Roulette with the planet and my children’s future. Even were you to believe global warming is only a 50/50 possibility, why would you risk trashing the environment further instead of encouraging alternate energy development.

    I suppose this is in your concerned column, but is it not legitimate to be concerned, especially considering that Trump appointed a climate denier to handle the environmental transition staff and campaigned on dissing all climate treaties and adding more coal fired power plants. This is on top of the more parochial issues with drilling and the disposition of public wilderness areas–I hear Sarah Palin is on the short list for Secretary of the Interior.

    • Jack Hudler November 15, 2016 at 8:56 pm #

      “I hear Sarah Palin is on the short list for Secretary of the Interior.”
      Yea! Ain’t that cool! Momma Grizzly for Secretary of the Interior.

    • chrishanger November 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm #

      The problem with this is that the Left has been crying wolf about how climate change will kill us all for decades – literally. I recall reading books that predicted half of Britain would be underwater by 2000. The evidence is weak, at best – dodgy science has only made it worse.

      Chris

      • Jack Hudler November 21, 2016 at 4:46 pm #

        Remember the environmentalist crying wolf about the consequences of Nuclear Energy use. This made building reactors so unpalatable, that we built fossil fuel plants instead. Which then led them to cry about global warming for all the CO2 emitted from those very plants. And around we go again.
        Thankfully they are starting to build reactors again.

        Lest we forget; when I was growing up in the 60’s and 70’s, it was all about the imminent arrival of the next Ice Age.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard November 21, 2016 at 6:06 pm #

        Don’t you know?

        That “Ice Age Scare” never happened. [Sarcastic Grin]

      • Jack Hudler November 21, 2016 at 8:10 pm #

        Did too! I were 7 year old when that hockey stick hit me in the head. I’m sure there was ice around somewhere… maybe in the ice bag,

      • shrekgrinch November 21, 2016 at 10:02 pm #

        Yup. And Time and Newsweek over here were talking about Manhattan being underwater by 2008 over here.

        Greentards: The original writers of Fake News.

      • shrekgrinch November 21, 2016 at 10:16 pm #

        There’s a youtube that I can’t find right now that shows some famous greentard scientists in the 1970s talking about global cooling and the coming ice age and then shows him 30 years older pitching global warming. I wish I could find it to paste here. 😦

      • Jack Hudler November 21, 2016 at 10:59 pm #

        There’s a great documentary called: What the Green Movement Got Wrong

      • shrekgrinch November 21, 2016 at 11:02 pm #

        What is it? About 30 seconds of the words “Pretty Much Everything” showing on the screen, then the credits?

      • Jack Hudler November 21, 2016 at 11:09 pm #

        http://www.dnoid.me/files/details/2449172/1521038/ download the torrent

      • Jack Hudler November 21, 2016 at 11:53 pm #

        “What is it? About 30 seconds of the words “Pretty Much Everything” showing on the screen, then the credits?”

        No, this might be what you’re looking for. It’s an hour long.

        Link: http://www.dnoid.me/files/download/2449172/ doesn’t have any seeder’s on it right now, but it has recently and it’s been up for 6 years. So the only seeder could be offlineor seeding something else right now.

  17. shrekgrinch November 21, 2016 at 10:18 pm #

    You guys will get a real kick out of this SNL skit — “Welcome To The Bubble”

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