Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America

30 Jan

-Vox Day, John Red Eagle

If there is nothing else that can be said about Vox Day – and a great deal of nonsense has been written about him – it is that his mere existence is a testament to the damage done to free speech and common sense by the politically-correct. To try to avoid giving unnecessary offense is a laudable goal, but to declare whole fields of study verboten because of the potential for offense is just plain stupid. Worse, perhaps, when the difference between words and reality becomes impossible to avoid, it undermines faith, the faith we need to keep our society running. Reality does not change on command.

After the runaway bestseller SJWs Always Lie (reviewed here), Vox Day tackles two subjects that don’t, on first glance, seem to go together. On one hand, there is the tidal wave of immigration pouring into America (and Europe) and, on the other hand, there is the supine surrender of American Conservatives to liberal thoughts and ideals that have very little relationship to reality. These people have become known as ‘Cuckservatives’ – a combination of ‘cuckoo’ and ‘conservative’ and the fact that the word itself has been declared offensive tells you a great deal about its power.


A cuckold is a man who, unknowingly, raises the child of another man as his own. (The word itself comes from the cuckoo’s habit of laying its eggs in another bird’s nest, then relying on the mama bird to raise the baby cuckoos (at the expense of its own) until the babies are large enough to flee the nest.) A Cuckservative, not to put too fine a point on it, is a Liberal pretending to be a Conservative, a person who may stand for election (in America) as a Republican, but upon being elected acts as a Democrat. These people are also known as RINOs; Republicans In Name Only. The charge is that Cuckservatives not only betray the people who elected them, but the country itself.

This is most prominent when it comes to immigration. Vast numbers of Americans (and Europeans) want the doors slammed shut, while their elites want the doors left open. It doesn’t seem to occur to the elites that allowing vast numbers of people from a different cultural background into America (or Europe) does not automatically make them good citizens. Vox is at pains to deconstruct both the ‘magic dirt’ and ‘blank slate’ theories, although neither theory stands up to even the slightest hint of examination. The American ‘melting pot’ worked, at least in part, because immigrants were not only separated from their homelands by vast oceans (no longer a problem, thanks to air travel) but forced to blend in to get along. Even then, there were problems, most notably when the immigrants couldn’t hope to pass for locals.

As has been noted elsewhere, Vox illustrates how the charge of ‘racist’ has been used to silence opposition to everything from immigration to multiculturalism. By declaring whole fields of study off-limits (as I noted in the first part of this review) the elites only created a vast mass of seething citizens who were unable to articulate their concerns – or were attacked savagely, when they dared. The logic of this is not only hazy, but non-existent. One simply does not have a country if one cannot control who enters, let alone enforce the laws in large swathes of the land. The idea that denying immigration rights is somehow racist is thoroughly absurd.

This largely accounts for the rise of Donald Trump, whose defiance of the elites has turned him into a (somewhat unexpected) champion of people who feel themselves downtrodden and ignored by the elites. Frustration with the elites and fear of the enemy within have pushed Trump up to the point where he is a serious contender for President, even though he might well make a poor President.

At base, the interests of the elites and the people they represent have shifted. The elites get to feel good about themselves (as well as getting cheap labour) while the people they represent get shafted. Quite apart from the social problems, an influx of cheap labour makes it harder for uneducated natives to get work, turning them against the immigrants. The conviction that immigrants get everything on a silver spoon, while hard-working natives get nothing, is lethal, even if it isn’t true.

It is worth noting that Vox overlooks two separate aspects of the ‘Cuckservative.’ The first is the nature of American politics, which has been a two-party system for centuries. A ‘Republican’ or a ‘Democrat’ may be very different from his fellows, but still under the same tent, thus we have Jeb Bush and Donald Trump, or Hilary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. The various politics thus blur together as the party prepares for the next election.

The second, perhaps more corrosive, is that elites generally meet other elites. Jeb Bush has far more in common with Hilary Clinton than he has with Joe Average. There is an understandable inclination to please those who are closest to them, particularly when they are living away from their states. This would be bad enough, but it also works on an international scale. Their perception of foreigners may be driven by people who were educated in America (majored in Western Hypocrisy?) and know how to present themselves to Westerners. Thus Hilary Clinton can meet with a diplomat from a country where women are chattel and genuinely get along with him, even though he is not representative of his country.

Coping with this problem requires constant refreshing of the tree of politics, by refusing to re-elect politicians for more than two terms in office. But I rather doubt that any politician will genuinely propose term limits for anyone.

Overall, like its predecessor, Cuckservative is a must-read. You may not agree with Vox Day (the person or the straw demon portrayed by his detractors), but you should consider his arguments before choosing to dismiss them. At least you’ll know what you chose to dismiss.

82 Responses to “Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America”

  1. Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 5:27 pm #

    Chris: How then would you deal with Syrian refugees? If you want to discard international law and declare them non-human what is to stop someone declaring all far right wingers such as yourself non-human?

    • chrishanger January 30, 2016 at 5:33 pm #

      I think, after what has happened (and is still happening) in nations that took in large amounts of refugees, i would be VERY selective about who i allowed into the country, with very clear rules for how i expected them to comport themselves while they were my guests and very clear consequences for any infringement. International law is not a suicide pact. Call me whatever you like, but if a government doesn’t put its voters first there is a very good chance it will be voted out and replaced by one that does – and that government might be very nasty indeed.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 30, 2016 at 7:05 pm #


        Of course, when “right-wingers” are called “racists” (or worse) IMO that’s just a step in the direction of making “right-wingers” non-human and thus not under the protection of laws. [Frown]

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 8:33 pm #

        and that would be illegal, the laws on refugees are very, very clear.. bought about by the right wing ‘refujews’ campaigns that trapped so many before the holocaust. And ISIS or the Syrian regime do plan genocide for their opponents as does the Taleban and the LRA etc. So to be clear, you want to discard laws you don’t like, so how is that any different from a drug dealer, for instance?

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

        oh and what stops on that scale us declaring you non-human? Offer an answer that isn’t ‘I am somehow form the master race/nation/religion’ please.

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 8:36 pm #

        You called for a war against Islam, you got one, congratulations. Now be clear about it and be honest: Call for the death camps you so lust for.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 30, 2016 at 8:38 pm #

        Yep, we’re “non-human” Monsters that you can send to the camps. [Sarcasm]

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

        @Paul, I am using your logic against you, that is the point I am trying to make, once you say ‘ the universal laws on the refugee do not apply to you, because you are sub human on grounds of race/religion’ you open that box of nightmares, AND lose any protections human rights give you, so I ask in seriousness, once you have done that, why should it not be applies to you as well?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 30, 2016 at 8:51 pm #

        It has nothing to do with the “Syrians” being non-human.

        It has everything to do with the actions these “refugees” are doing in Europe.

        Idiots cry “racism” while ignoring actions that Europeans would go to jail for.

        Sorry Mr. Godrey, you and your fellows are seeing Racism where it doesn’t exist.

        You and your fellows are treating the people who are warning of the dangers as non-human monsters.

        You are treating us as “non-human monsters” who don’t deserve Freedom of Speech.

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 8:55 pm #

        then call for the offenders to be jailed, not call for people to be forced back into leaky boats or across borders to a almost certain death on no evidence of any wrong doing, their is a massive difference, oh and calling for us to refuse to honour the very treaties put in place to save people from genocide is declaring them non-human.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 30, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

        Sorry Mr. Godfrey, but your side is too busy shouting “racism” to listen to what we’re calling for.

        We want better “screening” to make sure that the “refugees” are real refugees.

        We want actions taken against the bad apples among the “refugees” but your side doesn’t want to admit that there were bad apples among the “refugees”.

        All of your posts here show the same blindness and bigotry that we expect from the Left.

        You made it clear that “talking about the problems caused by the refugees” is bigotry and hatred.

        You and yours have decided that we’re bigots so that’s all you hear.

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 9:13 pm #

        except that is not what you are asking for, it is not what Chris called for, he called for cherry picking and mass deportation to death.

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 30, 2016 at 9:27 pm #

        I know Chris better than that.

        What he is actually saying is that if your governments don’t start showing intelligence, those countries will get the monsters-in-charge that you fear.

        When Germany (for example) is more interested in “smashing protestors” than interested in stopping rapes by refugees, then the extremists that both Chris and I dislike will take power in Germany.

        Sorry Mr. Godfrey, but you have proven yourself to be an Idiot.

        I’m finished talking to you.

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 9:15 pm #

        basically any government who did what Chris asked for would have BECOME the worst it could be, it would have simply saved itself the money of building death camps.

      • Rob Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 10:02 pm #

        given that everythinjg you have said comes straight out of Storm Front, I find it hard to believe you and Chris dislike extremists (hell he makes them the heroes of Empire Corps)

      • chrishanger January 30, 2016 at 10:12 pm #


        I shall be blunt.

        I do not believe in quashing people who have different opinions to my own. I’m smart enough to realise that I don’t know everything and that I may need to change my opinions at some point, if presented with a reasonable reason to do so.


        Civilised debate requires a certain amount of civility. You have not been civil. You appear to be governed by the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you is absolute evil, thus linking anyone who wants to vet refugees (and insist on a certain degree of civilised behaviour) with monsters who are keen to commit mass genocide. Such a comparison is not only insulting, it is not remotely conductive to civilised debate.

        You are welcome to disagree with me or anyone else following/commenting on this blog. You are not welcome to be insulting, unpleasant or trollish. State your disagreement calmly, reasonably and with a minimum of emotive language.

        Thank you


      • R Godfrey January 30, 2016 at 11:30 pm #

        Then I made an error, you have the marines in Empire Corps commit war crimes, and use aimilar language about being ‘selective’ (for instance the massacres of political opponents and alluded to city level massacres of rebels) I genuinely thought you meant selective in the same way.

      • chrishanger February 1, 2016 at 9:47 pm #

        Would it not be better, therefore, to ask for clarification rather than starting a flame war?


      • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 1:06 am #

        But we are very selective of who gets in…. There’s a nearly two year long vetting process

      • Keith Glass January 31, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

        “the laws on refugees are very clear”, you say ? No, they’re “international law”, which is, at most, a suggestion and guidelines. If Frau Merkel were to fortify the border, and allow no more in, and then eject the ‘refugees’ already there. . .who would force her to comply with this “law” ??

      • Rob godfrey January 31, 2016 at 11:07 pm #

        @Paul. Sithicus just threatened terrorism and mass executions if he doesn’t get his way….and you attack the guy who challenged him?!

    • Robert Ellis January 31, 2016 at 8:17 pm #

      Are you certain he wants to declare them non-human? I think these raping, molesting, killing ‘refugees’ are human, barely. We have to concede human. So in exchange, to keep everything equal, you concede ‘invaders’. We;ll have a level playing field & everyone will be happy.

      • Rob Godfrey January 31, 2016 at 9:34 pm #

        well since they aren’t invaders, no I will not concede it. The specific individuals who committed those crimes are criminals, HOWEVER saying ‘all refugees are criminals’ is less true than saying all catholic priests are pedophiles. (Seriously rates of sex offences among priests are 10-20 times the population in general,) so unless you want to ban Catholicism ( a nice fantasy but utterly without merit as a plan to implement, like punching people who annoy you, a nice way thought to relief some stress an utterly awful idea to actually do) why should this group who even taking into account the reports coming out, have a lower rate of crime than natives, be singled out for execution? And it is execution, you would just not have the courage to pull the trigger yourself, the governments who turned people back to face the holocaust are rightly held in contempt for it, why on earth should doing so now suddenly be a moral act?

        On the topic of international law, if you regard law as such a pointless thing why have any laws at all? Why outlaw rape? Why outlaw drug use? Either law is worth something or it isn’t, international or otherwise (and drugs are only outlawed because of international law)

      • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 9:54 pm #

        Shoot the ones who commit rape and it’ll stop

    • Laguna Beach Fogey February 1, 2016 at 12:02 am #

      Rob, people like you already have declared “far right-wingers” non-human.

    • PeterM February 1, 2016 at 8:53 am #

      Shinzo Abe already said it all; it’s unethical for a country to care more about the poor of other countries than the ones already in that country. All this talk about humane treatment of the Syrian refugees is pointless because ultimately they had the choice to pick up a gun and fight for their country, yet they chose not to. This is what happens in life to the sheeps who let others control their destiny, charity is something to be lauded, not demanded.

      • Rob Godfrey February 1, 2016 at 10:28 am #

        So you would pick up a rifle and fight for ISIS or maybe execute civilians for Assad?

      • Obi-Wan-Kenobi February 1, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

        And let me guess, you don’t support Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton who will actually help the poor in this country?

    • shrekgrinch February 1, 2016 at 7:06 pm #

      Since you Euroweenies keep telling us how more morally superior you are to us Americans, why don’t you step up and take them all in then, eh?

      I mean, who cares how many European women are gang-raped by Muslims you let flow over your borders unchecked if you don’t?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard February 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm #

        For all their imagined “superiority”, they’ll expect the US to clean up the mess they made … again. :frown:

      • Rob Godfrey February 1, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

        Well considering the epidemic of rape by US service personnel, and the fact we cannot prosecute them under the treaties you forced on us, and us owned news outlets refusing to publish you can be silent about rape. I mean is it part of training or what? After they get taught how to torture out a false confession to give a ‘cover’ to bomb a school they get taught best techniques for rape? Or is that just a part of being a son of American soil?

      • shrekgrinch February 19, 2016 at 11:02 pm #

        There is no ‘epidemic’ of rape and nobody force any treaties on anybody.

        You are such a total Troll.

    • Wayne Pharries February 18, 2016 at 5:23 am #

      I want to disregard international law, but what does that have to do with declaring the refugees non-human?

  2. lanebrianp January 30, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

    It doesn’t take 500 words to know the Conservatives fucked us all!

    • Trident Owl January 30, 2016 at 11:52 pm #

      That’s cuckservatives–basically, blue collar and evangelical liberals and left wingers purged by the Democratic party by Obama and his followers because they are not ideologically pure. Betrayed both by Bush II and Obama by the massive debts accrued both by war and then the bailouts, Obamacare, Medicaid, the ransacking of Medicare, the 10 year economic depression spurred on by sub-prime loans and made worse by piling on that debt by $1 trillion/year since Obama came to office; it’s not a surprise that Americans, especially cuckservatives are racing to Trump.
      If you want to hear what true American conservatism sounds like, listen to Redeye Radio; they brilliantly breakdown news and economic cause and effect and attack both liberals and “conservatives”, and both parties are fair game.

    • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 1:12 am #

      I agree… They are unamerican in their hypocrisy(ref. Their insistance for freedom and choice but their demands that people not have a choice inwho they marry, or birth control), and under their leadership the US falls farther and farther behind the rest of the world in human rights (ref. Rick Snyder in Flint), education (ref college attendance per capita), and industrialization (ref. The offshoring of american jobs/industry due to laseizz-faire gov. Policy)

  3. Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 1:16 am #

    Do you have any evidence of all this? You’re a writer, huge fan btw, you know political/academic stuff only gets taked seriously when it’s well supported.

  4. Anarchymedes January 31, 2016 at 3:14 am #

    Such passion over something so simple. You break the law, you get punished, according to the law. The law is the same for a local, a refugee, or a skilled or business migrant. Period. Although in addition to that, if you’re not a citizen of this country, or have a dual citizenship, after you’ve done your time for your crimes, you’re escorted out as a misbehaving guest. That’s more or less what we have here in Australia.
    It’s a ludicrous idea that the law should treat people differently based on their background, and it defeats the purpose of having laws in the first place. Yes, lawyers and law enforcers are also human and may try to side with their own kind, but they, too, are not immune from the law they’re supposed to uphold.
    Any society that doesn’t understand that had better be either totally homogeneous (measure the babies’ skulls and discard those who don’t pass the criteria), or openly admit castes into its legal system (and stops pretending to be modern and progressive). Within the same community, be it a country or a town, this we-live-by-our-law-you-live-by-your-law sort of things simply cannot exist.
    As for refugees, let someone who gathers all beggars and pan handlers from the street in his or her house be the first to throw a stone at me. As an example, about 12 years ago there was a story in the local paper, about a man who sheltered a bunch of street teenagers in his unit. Later, they were caught driving his SUV some distance away – and his corpse, when found, was only identified by the dental records, so badly was he bashed (and raped, too).
    And about multiculturalism: IMO, it definitely must have its limits. All cultures had to discard some of their parts at some point: no one practices the Scandinavian Holmgang or medieval German Trial by Combat these days [a wistful sigh]. 🙂 As to who should do that, isn’t that obvious: the guests. The supplicants (yes, that’s what those asking for shelter are). It’s their responsibility to leave the things that are unacceptable to their hosts at the host’s threshold (or border). Simple, isn’t it? I’m not really a conservative: in many ways, I’m anything but. Still, some things should remain simple: to dispense with the aforementioned Western Hypocricy, if for nothing else.

    • synp January 31, 2016 at 7:32 pm #

      It’s simple, yes. I think it’s overly simplistic. The enforcement branch of government, both the judicial and the police, are not distinct from the citizenry. They can only enforce the law if witnesses come forward, if victims complain.

      With mass migration you don’t get a bunch of Syrians hoping to become Europeans. You get a bunch of Syrians setting up a “Little Damascus” in European cities. And German or French or English or Belgian police are not welcome in Little Damascus. If one immigrant harms another, the victim will try to get justice internally. They will never go to the “authorities”. And in any case of an issue between an immigrant and an outsider, you never testify against your fellow immigrant. They set up their own ways of resolving things.

      And here’s the thing. Little Damascus is way worse than the real Damascus. The real Damascus before the civil war had all the state institutions. And even when they were unfair and corrupt, they knew the people and were supplemented by “community justice” that worked well enough so that people were OK with it. Until they weren’t anymore. The thugs who control a Little Damascus don’t have that kind of authority, so violence is much more rampant. But the people still either prefer their bullies to the European authorities who just don’t get them. Or they are coerced into it. Doesn’t matter. They don’t cooperate with the government and that doesn’t work.

      Nor is this the first time in history that this happens. When the US had mass migrations in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they also formed their own societies. Think of Italians, Chinese, even Jews. What outsiders called “organized crime”, the Italians (well, mostly the Sicilians) called Cosa Nostra – “our thing”. Other minorities had their own things. In time, the next generation of these minorities did blend in and the replacement government lost its power. But that took decades – lots of them. And a world war that aligned people’s narratives. Is that going to happen with the Syrian migrants in Europe? Remember that neither the US nor Europe are anywhere near as homogenous as Australia. Your experience is not indicative to what they are going through.

      • Anarchymedes February 1, 2016 at 8:47 am #

        In Australia, the Western suburbs of Sydney aren’t Australia anymore: they’re a part of Middle East that the Middle East misplaced, with huge mosques, halal-certified KFC, and 12-year-old girls being forcibly married and then smuggled overseas to consummate it. Not to mention a steady stream of ISIL recruits. That’s exactly what I mean: migrants should assimilate. Or leave. Strange how some people risk their lives to get out of their countries – only to turn the fiercest of patriots once someone has granted them asylum. Patriots don’t immigrate: they stay in their motherland, face whatever depravity comes their way, and die – for the motherland. So IMHO immigrants should stop pretending they’ve never gone anywhere and get on with their new lives. And I mean, new lives.

      • synp February 1, 2016 at 10:11 am #

        And yet the truth is that there are only 2.2% Muslims in Australia. Compare that with 8% in France or 17% in Israel, but only 1% in the US. They’re just very visible in both Australia and France because they are mostly in a few big cities.

      • Anarchymedes February 2, 2016 at 9:00 am #

        Well, Australia has had, and still has the mandatory detention policy concerning the so-called ‘boat people’ for decades now – and been criticised to death for it, by UN, Amnesty International, and other Whining International bleeding hearts and artists. Now Europe can watch and learn. And envy us! 🙂

  5. Kestrel January 31, 2016 at 9:32 pm #

    I’ll have to disagree with the definition of “Cuckservative” given by Mr. Nuttall. They’re not ideologically impure conservatives, Democrats masquerading as Republicans for votes, or flip flopping moderates. They are conservatives who support policies that will utterly destroy conservatism itself, and the nation that they claim they wish to conserve. They will allow the genocide of their people and the end of their civilization.

    But don’t worry! They passed a farm bill for the next fiscal year, so everything is fine.

    • Rob Godfrey January 31, 2016 at 9:35 pm #

      define ‘genocide of their people’.

    • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 9:56 pm #

      Dude, explain your logic. Also since when were Liberals and Conservatives different peoples?

      • Kestrel (@1337kestrel) January 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm #

        Not a lot of logic behind what I said, Obi-Wan. More of an arbitrary definition. Liberals and Conservatives in the US are definitely the same “peoples” in the sense of a nation, cultrue, or race. Look, a Republican who votes against spending cuts because he’s afraid of the press isn’t a cuckservative. The USA (Or the UK, or Germany) can survive being poor, or oppressive, or self destructive for a time. Even if the RINOs let Obamacare kill old folks and destroy job creation, the nation will survive.

        The nation will *not* survive if the peoples, liberal, conservative, and stoner alike, fail to reproduce, are displaced by Central American gangs, are nuked by jihadis, and are assaulted in public by roving gangs of illiterate third worlders until the culture is destroyed and the demographics turn the country into some kind of multicultural pirate kingdom.

        ‘genocide of their people’: reduction in absolute numbers and percentage of the native-born population, resulting in a gradual change of cultural and genetic makeup. Slightly different from extinction in that it is done deliberately and maliciously.

    • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 11:48 pm #

      Ah. Thank you for your clarification. I can see where you’re coming from. I think though that the US won’t admit enough refugees for that to occur-we’ve only agreed to admit ten thousand. Also the vetting process is so extreme that the chances of a bunch of Jihadis getting in is rather limited. But if they do get in, as Americans, our will is too strong to be overcome by the fear that they wish to propagate. If they do attack us again then I’m sure the response will be be another “war on terror”

  6. Sithicus January 31, 2016 at 10:36 pm #

    I’d like to participate in this interesting discussion as well.
    First lets adress some of the issues raised by Rob Godfrey.
    Majority of the “refugees” or should I rather say invaders are not syrians. I’d be suprised if they’d make more then 10% of the total number. And they are not women, not children or the elderly… they are mostly men of a military age.
    They come in tens, hundreds of thousands. 1.5 million with another 2 million on the way.
    We can all see what happens in the areas where they settle down. It’s a human tsunami or
    rather a swarm of human locusts of biblical proporsion. They have no chance to integrate, to find a gainful employment, to live a normal life like we do. They bring with them things they wanted to escape from: crime, violence, poverty and intolerance.
    Our politicians failed us, they have betrayed people the were supposed to lead and protect.
    But who else made this possible? The answer is simple. The SJWs, the leftist, the progressives, the ones Tom Kratman calls tranzis.
    Its a funny thing. Perhaps with a trace of irony and a hint of greek tragedy.
    Your greatest fear, the raise of extremist, the so called monsters… you have made it possible. No. You have made it inevitable.
    The very same people that once held placards “Refugees Welcome” will help to round them up and put them onto the trains or trucks. All it takes is a bit of “cultural enrichment”.
    They will elect these who will promise to make the problem go away. By any means necessary. It will be either forced deportation or extermination. The alternative is displacement/replacement of the local population.
    Please do not forget this no USA. The melting pot does not work in the good old US of A anymore and it never worked here. This is Europe. The Old World. The birthplace of the race of the most efficient killers on this planet.
    Yes, there will be war. The death toll will be counted in millions.

    I have made several predictions for 2016.

    More violence. Against local population and against the “refugees”. Perhaps few more Paris style attacks. Many innocent people will die, and many families will be affected.
    There will be war. And not the type that is waged by faceless drone operators thousands of miles away in places that you never heard about and never cared for. It will be waged in our cities, on our streets; it will be a bloody and brutal battle that will happen on our doorsteps.
    Every life lost, every drop of blood spilled will serve to bring another soul to our side.
    Every attack, every massacre and atrocity will generate anger, hate and desire for vengeance. It’s just a matter of time before it will reach a critical mass. It will bring reprisals, revenge attacks and mobs forming and lynching people on the streets. So far we have seen hundreds of empty potential refugee centres burned, you will see full ones burned too.
    Goverments in Western Europe will condemn this action and will stand against their own people to defend these invaders, initially using the Police but when they’ll be unable to cope military will be deployed and martial law announced. It won’t take long for the politicians to become targets… and their families as well. They are few and we are many.
    Consider all these people that have personally experienced “enrichment” – they’ve been mugged, beaten, raped or killed. They have families, fathers, brothers or sons. It is human to feel anger and need for vengeance. Our society tries to supress these emotions, tells us it is a matter for Police and courts to find, prosecute and punish the guilty. What we see now is Police actively covering up the crimes commited by these invaders and courts just letting them go or just giving them a slap on the wrist. At the same time if any of us would commit the same crimes the whole might of the “justice” system would be brought upon our heads. I expect lone wolf attacks both against the perpetrators and judges as well.
    All it takes is one desperate individual that decided that he had enough and no longer has anything to loose. Getting your hands on a firearm is not that difficult if you’ve got money and you’re no longer bound by the legal process. Creating IEDs or incendiaries is not a rocket science either.

    You can try to silence me. Call me a racist. A monster. I am all this things. But in few years you will be silent. Because you will be afraid, knowing that when we are done with purging this plague we will come after these who we hold responsible. You think that we will be stopped? USA has enough of their own problems, a with a possible Trump presidency they might lead the way.

    I would like to go back to this post in 1 year to see how much of this will come true. Will the West go gently into that good night?

    I welcome discussion from both sides. Tell me why I am wrong. Or why do you agree with me.

    • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 10:40 pm #

      And who are you? What evidence do you have?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 31, 2016 at 10:46 pm #

        Who are you? Obi-Wan-Kenobi is a fictional character (who lied like a Jedi).

        You are calling on Chris and others to “give evidence” that they are correct.

        If you believe that Chris is wrong, surely you have evidence to show that he is wrong.

        Put up your real name and show the evidence that you have.

      • Sithicus January 31, 2016 at 11:03 pm #

        I am European. And my evidence is what I see with my own eyes.
        This year I have visited Greece and Germany. I went to see “The Jungle” in Calais.
        I speak with normal, everyday people who had the misfortune of finding themselves in ground zero of upcoming civil war in Europe.

      • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 11:13 pm #

        I have supported my arguments, read one of my posts above. Also, your attack on my commenter name would imply that you can’t argue with my position, and your reluctance to support your own stance would imply to the casual observer that there is no evidence to support your claims. By asking who are you? I was attempting to ascertain whether Sithicus is qualified to make those predictions without substantial supporting details. The same goes for you my esteemed Mr. Howard, who are you? Why would anyone listen to your prepositions? You have no evidence; all you have is a bullying disposition, questionable logic, and an innate ability to avoid the question at hand…. Where are your facts?

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 31, 2016 at 11:20 pm #

        You have no evidence; all you have is a bullying disposition, questionable logic, and an innate ability to avoid the question at hand…. Where are your facts?

        Liberals often accuse other people of “projecting” but do it themselves.

        I’ve been bullied in the past so I know all about bullying and Liberals have become major bullies.

        I see no reason to talk with Liberal Bullies. Good Bye.

    • Obi-Wan January 31, 2016 at 10:42 pm #

      Also the fear and hatred that you claim will be our undoing is what is being propagated by right wingers

      • Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard January 31, 2016 at 10:48 pm #

        Show evidence that those “right-wingers” are liars.

      • Sithicus January 31, 2016 at 11:11 pm #

        Your attempts to divide people into right or left wingers do not matter.
        I divide them in the only way that matters. Those who will live and those who will die.
        As for fear and hatred, there is a plenety of that coming from the left as well. The right seems to be more honest about it.

    • Obi-Wan-Kenobi January 31, 2016 at 11:14 pm #

      It seems to me like it’s your fear of change speaking…. Would i be mistaken in this assumption?

      • Sithicus February 1, 2016 at 12:01 am #

        I have seen change. I’ve visited former Soviet Union in it’s twilight years. I’ve watched the Berlin Wall go down. I’ve seen trains full of russian soldiers as they were leaving East Germany and Poland. I have seen Eastern Europe changing into something better and I’ve felt the hope brough by the vision of the peaceful Europe without borders.

        I’ve read Fukuyama’s “The End of History” as it was published and for a short time I might even believed it, being somewhat young and naive. I’ve seen the EU and NATO expand to the East. The world seemed a better place. Then came the war in Yugo in 1995 and changed the way I’ve seen the world.

        I watched the Towers fall. Some of my friends went to Iraq and Afganistan. A few did not returned.

        As I walk the streets of british cities I see a change. I see a nation and it’s way of life dissapearing in front of my eye. And even the fact that it is not my nation does not change the sadness I feel.

        Yes things are changing. And they have changed enough that I see no other way but to raise and take a stand. These days I work towards the change I wish to see.

        I might end up a nameless corpse in a ditch or get dragged in front of ICC in Hague. It does not matter. My ancestors have fought and died to protect this land for over 600 years.

    • BorisQ February 1, 2016 at 5:20 am #

      You are threatening the families of politicians and I’m supposed to be afraid of refugees? Right.

      • Obi-Wan-Kenobi February 1, 2016 at 5:42 am #

        He’s threatening the lives of everyone who doesn’t agree with him, not just Politicians. I’m sure our friendly NSA supercomputers already flagged his post.

      • Sithicus February 1, 2016 at 9:41 am #

        When politicians turn against their own nations they become legitimate targets.

        Unlike Joe Public they are protected by Police and armed bodyguards. And who do you think Joe Public will vote for when his daughter or wife will get raped, when his son will get stabbed for no reason, when his own home will be invaded? When he’ll see that Police won’t protect him but instead turn against him when he’ll speak out against his current lords and masters.

        Things might be different in the US, but this is Europe.

  7. PhilippeO February 1, 2016 at 7:34 am #

    ” This is most prominent when it comes to immigration. Vast numbers of Americans (and Europeans) want the doors slammed shut, while their elites want the doors left open. ”

    I’m not sure about this, remember the outcry when ‘dead baby photo’ spread in Europe.

    most people is un-realistic. They horrified when uninsured patient cannot get treatment, but oppose government make insurance mandatory. They want government help when they unemployed/bankcrupt/sick, but did not want to pay taxes for this.

    Immigration is similar. There are routine outrage when refugee is ordered back to their country of origin. They are outrage when family of citizens refused entry. they are outrage when ‘good hard-working good neighbour’ get deported. They criticize when their classmate in college get deported.

    UKIP/Trump/other right-wing party want dorr closed, but majority of people (conservative included) did not want to do so. They did not want criminals/terrorist/unemployed/bad people entry, but generally they want ‘their immigrant’ to be accepted.

    On most issue, people keep making unrealistic judgment. Destroy ISIS and avoid civilian casualties. Oppose individual mandate and demand insurance accept everybody.

    Those who want to ‘walk the talk’ is extremist left/right-wing. politician could hardly be blamed when people is so inconsistent.

    • Rob Godfrey February 1, 2016 at 6:09 pm #

      I am still wating for Chris to call out the incitement to terrorism that Sithicus has committed here, his lack of comment speaks volumes.

      • Rob Godfrey February 1, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

        oh and his promise to murder everyone who disagrees with him.. So Chris..where is your condemnation now? You have some one here who takes your books afterwords seriously, look at what you asked for.

      • Sithicus February 1, 2016 at 8:42 pm #

        It feels good to be appreciated, Rob. I’ll see you around.

      • chrishanger February 1, 2016 at 9:56 pm #

        Yes, it speaks of an author who is (forgive me) concentrating on his work before engaging in the time-honoured pastime of reading numerous responses and remembering why he has to be the responsible one.

        Rob – at no point within his posts did Sithicus call for anything. He listed a series of potential scenarios that might happen, if westerners feel that they need to fight to defend themselves against something that feels very much like an invasion, with the government on the wrong side. You are deliberately misinterpreting his views for rhetorical effect rather than engaging in honest debate.

        Now, if you think he’s wrong, feel free to say so and explain why. If you think he’s right, feel free to say that too. And if you think he’s not worth talking to, then don’t.


      • Rob Godfrey February 1, 2016 at 10:01 pm #

        No, he very, very clearly is not ‘doing it for rhetorical effect’, he is stating what he will do, what he plans to do as clearly as it is possible to do.

  8. shrekgrinch February 1, 2016 at 7:02 pm #

    “‘Cuckservatives’ – a combination of ‘cuckoo’ and ‘conservative’ ”

    Uh, I think it is a combination of ‘cuckolding’ and ‘conservative’…as in, the folks elected by conservative voters just end up cuckholding said voters by getting in bed with the liberals.

  9. Rob Godfrey February 1, 2016 at 10:28 pm #

    to quote Sithicus, a clear and unambiguous threat: ‘Because you will be afraid, knowing that when we are done with purging this plague we will come after these who we hold responsible. You think that we will be stopped?’

    That is NOT rhetorical effect

    • Obi-Wan February 2, 2016 at 3:04 am #

      Yeah, he wants to be the terrorist that he’s “fighting” against

  10. Joel Li February 4, 2016 at 12:45 am #

    Not sure if saying this will make me unpopular. But the West’s “take them all” or “allow them to come” policies so far, are not producing good results for all involved:
    1. You got refugees that behave badly because they got nothing to lose
    2. Citizens that are angry because of sad bad behaviour
    3. Citizens that behave badly too

    Not sure what is the right way forward but allowing thousands of people to just take over or come to your lands that are unwilling or do not need to integrate is not helping and actually harmful in the long run.

    They are already in the West, and from what I see politicians are talking talking talking about what ideals when they should be working together to see what Practically they can and cannot do.

    All I hear is talk about ideals and no concrete solutions on the here and now.

    All I hear is “we do not want refugees because of their rapes and other behaviors” and near no concrete talk about directives and stances and reactions to those bad behaviors and rapes.

    If countries do not take steps to counter current issues that arise and to issues on the grounds, then what gets done. Big talk is all and good but it produces nothing, except grand gestures and extreme reactions.

    For example, if there is alot of bad behaviour from a group of refugees, deport the extreme cases you can find. Detain those suspected of rape, and charge harshly those that are found guilt, then deport. If they react, remind them that they are only here at the pleasure of the countries government. Enforce your laws/agreements with them. And pushing harshly those that break them. Make examples of the extremes and the rest will settle down.

    Reward those the conform and Punish those that do not. The old carrot and stick approach. From my view, why should a country and its citizens change for others. Refugees should change to suit where they are. And if they cannot, deport them.

    But I find that politicians cannot do it. If even a small percent scream (unreasonable) some crap, they back down. I have found that in life, you cannot please everyone. But politicians are so stuck trying to please everyone, they cannot do what is needed.

    • synp February 4, 2016 at 6:34 am #

      Do you have some objective test to apply to some immigrant and determine whether he has “changed his ways” enough to suit his new country? Is drinking lager and eating pork sausages sufficient for being a true German, or do you also have to wear lederhosen?

      If a country wants to keep the ideal of treating people equally, they can only treat people as individuals, punishing those who rape and abuse, and letting be those who don’t. They can’t make distinctions based on race, ethnicity or country of origin. And then, deportation is off the table for anyone who’s crime is anything other than being in the country illegally. There’s just jail or freedom. All that is unless you want to drop the color-blind ideal. Much of the population wants to drop that ideal to get a “more German” Germany, but politicians, wild cosmopolitan bunch that they are, have a hard time doing that.

      And identity politics aren’t helping. Identity politics put the group above the individual. Identity politics makes it hard for the government to get good results by treating people as individuals, because all interactions are tainted by group identity. It’s a difficult, complex situation that goes to our collective identity.

      • Joel Li February 5, 2016 at 1:04 am #

        Sorry I do not see why a country needs to treat refugees as equals to their citizens, that were born and lived there their whole live. Or those that earned their citizenship or PRs.

        Thus deportation is a very effective tool. Even if you accidentally deport a small percentage of those that might be worthy contributors to your country, the chances is the the country will deport a lot more of those that will harm your country. And you get a small pool of people that you can screen better and pick the best to become PRs then citizens. So it is a win for the country and thus the people and for the long term.

        The country is helping these people, so I do not see why the refugees cannot be made toll the line. If they get out of line, they must pay the price. If they do not like it, they can go back to their own country.

        When you help people, I find it strange that you must allow the person you are helping to dictate terms. Are you not the one that should be dictating terms, and them the ones that need to choice to accept or reject.

      • Rob Godfrey February 5, 2016 at 1:55 pm #

        ok then: hypothetical: I see no reason why the shills of an iron death cult , the so called ‘conservatives’ and ‘evangelicals’ should be treated like the loyal, patriotic liberals of this nation, people who truly stand for freedom and justice should not have to tolerate those who pray to a genocidal pedophile god and constantly and without end demand that they have refusal rights on who everyone else sleeps with, marries, associates with and works for, what they can watch, how they watch it, who they sleep with, and above all of this claims that any attempts to curb their dictatorial power is assaulting their ‘religious freedom’ that treating homosexuals like humans and women like they are functional human beings who own their own flesh and blood are massive infringements of a conservatives ‘freedom’, that constantly compare gay people to nazis and themselves to jews, when the power relationship is the reverse, the conservatives and evangelicals had the power, and a fairer comparison is forcing a nazi to serve a jew (if you must invoke Godwins law), why they should we regard these tyrannical fanatics following a middle eastern death cult as the equal of true citizens?

        For the same reason we should treat refugees as humans, with the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else: it is the truth, like them or loath them we are all human.

  11. Lisa February 21, 2016 at 9:41 pm #

    Vox Day as an authority on anything or worthy of anything but contempt?

    5 mins of searching and the conclusion is that he is:: racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic and a Christian extremist. The probability of him having a rational opinion on anything is pretty close to zero.

    I classify him as one of those bratty little boys that everyone hates, he wants to bully and slag off everyone he doesn’t like (everyone not male, heterosexual, white and Christian) , but then cries little boy tears when someone stands up to him and calls him out (“oh those terrible SJWs are bullying me”).

    A few quotes by him:
    “Now, obviously no one else was responsible for Lubritch’s actions if it indeed was Omega rage at work. He alone bears the blame. But it is somewhat haunting to think about how many lives might be saved each year if the sluts of the world were just a little less picky and a little more equitable in their distribution of blowjobs.”

    “White American men simply don’t rape these days. At this point, unless a woman claims it was committed by a black or Hispanic man she didn’t previously know, all claims of rape, especially by a college woman, have to be considered intrinsically suspect.”

    “[I]n light of the strong correlation between female education and demographic decline, a purely empirical perspective on Malala Yousafzai, the poster girl for global female education, may indicate that the Taliban’s attempt to silence her was perfectly rational and scientifically justifiable.”

    “[F]emale independence is strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills. Using the utilitarian metric favored by most atheists, a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability.”

    ” Women are not needed in any profession or occupation except that of child-bearer and child-rearer, and even in the case of the latter, they are only superior, they are not absolutely required.”

    “Jemisin has it wrong; it is not that I, and others, do not view her as human, (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not equally homo sapiens sapiens), it is that we simply do not view her as being fully civilized for the obvious historical reason that she is not.”
    “Being an educated, but ignorant half-savage…”

    “They have nothing but the carnal desires to which they are enslaved and the Prince of this fallen world, who has already been defeated by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. ”

    “Women are particularly susceptible to shame. So shame them relentlessly. Shame those who agree with them. Mock their white knights who rush in to save them. Above all, dignify their views and voices with all the respect you would show to a particularly noxious fart in an elevator.”

    I could go on…… but my eyeballs are bleeding.

    • Rob Godfrey February 22, 2016 at 6:44 pm #

      That explains why Chris did nothing about the poster earlier threatening to murder everyone who isn’t a far right Christian terrorism supporting loon, Chris was posting and endorsing exactly that world view.

      • chrishanger February 22, 2016 at 9:08 pm #


        I happen to believe that freedom of speech is a universal right. That does not imply agreement, disagreement, half-heartedness or anything else along those lines. Believing that someone who disagrees with you on even a minor scale is THE ENEMY is not a good preparation for life. I do not choose to censor people for disagreeing with me, which is why you are still here.

        The reason we have Donald Trump and Vox Day is because people, instead of contemplating alternate points of view, are trying their hardest to silence anyone who raises such a point of view. That’s why people who make reasonable requests for accommodation are drawing fire, because there is no longer any toleration for reasonable requests – it’s been abused too often.

        This is not fair. But neither is trying to shut someone up for disagreeing with the political orthodoxy.


      • Rob Godfrey February 22, 2016 at 9:23 pm #

        People who call women and minority groups ‘half civilized savages’ and call acid attacks on women a good thing for society, and that ‘sluts you distribute more blow jobs’ are inciting terrorism, pure and simple, and I would have expected them to get as short a shrift from you as an islamist, why then are they getting your support, and telling us that you agree with the book (as you did in the OP) is an endorsement of the views of the man who wrote it, you cannot separate the two. Or are you going to urge us to buy mein kampf next? A book that seems to share your views, simply replacing ‘immigrants’ with ‘jews’ (note it does not openly call for genocide so do not attempt that dodge)

      • chrishanger February 22, 2016 at 9:56 pm #

        This is the last thing I am going to say on the matter, so read it or not as you please.

        You know, I am familiar with one of the incidents you mention here and you are taking it out of context. VD said, IIRC, that the Taliban’s strategy of terror – including attacking women with acid – made sense for them – it weakened the will of their enemies to resist them. I don’t believe I have ever heard him say that scarring women for life is a GOOD thing. If you have a quote, an actual source, that says otherwise, please present it to my attention. (And I mean something HE said, not something someone else said he said.)

        I do not choose to regard someone who says something I dislike/find offensive/etc as the enemy, someone who must be excluded at all costs. I consider each argument in isolation, regardless of who says it. If it holds water, IMHO, it holds water. Trying to slam an argument because it comes from someone you don’t like, rather than dismantling it piece by piece, is not conductive to reasoned debate.

        Frankly, I consider your attempts to link me to Hitler rather more offensive than anything VD has said to me personally. Such accusations are beneath contempt.


      • Obi-Wan-Kenobi February 22, 2016 at 10:03 pm #

        You encourage freedom of speech, yet when i call people out for their hypocrisy and lack of evidence you call me a troll.

      • Rob Godfrey February 22, 2016 at 10:45 pm #

        then stop calling for refugees to be put in camps, and ‘selectively’ bought allowed in, either they are refugees in which case as millions of europeans fled during ww2, and millions more died because no one would accept the ‘wrong’ sort, we now either meant it when we said ‘never again’ and claim the moral high ground in international politics, or we didn’t and have never held such ground, either we are a place worthy of singing the praises of, one that accepts refugees, especially ones from wars we (in part) caused, by training the tyrants who killed all other resistance apart from the fanatics and lunatics, by overthrowing the early attempts at middle Eastern democracy, by drawing fake nations on a map and installing kings and sheiks as it suited us without regard for the situation on the ground, or we are colonial oppressors we get accused of being.

        Are the inhabitants of the middle east responsible for the wars? Yes, the guy with the gun is responsible for his actions with it. Did we put that gun their? Yes again.


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