The World of Bookworm

16 Feb

Just some background notes.

Politically, the world of Bookworm is divided into a number of small semi-independent states, ruled by a variety of different political systems. In theory, all of these states pay homage to the Empire and the Regency Council, but in practice the Regency Council’s power to influence the lesser states is limited. (Not unlike the Holy Roman Empire on Earth.) The last Emperor was killed during the Second Necromantic War, along with his heirs, and the Throne has remained empty for the following two hundred years, but no one seriously considers dismantling the Empire. They find the legal fiction too useful – besides, there are always rumours of a lost heir to the Throne flying around.

Every so often, a pretender arises and makes a bid for the Throne. The Throne, a powerful magical artefact in its own right, kills anyone who sits in it without a blood tie to the Imperial line, so the Regency Council generally allows the pretender to try to take the throne – naturally, after checking to make sure that they aren’t actually allowing a real heir to take his place. Quite what they’d do if a real heir turned up is a matter of speculation…

Practically, real power is held by the Grand Sorcerer, who heads the Regency Council. The Grand Sorcerer is the single most powerful magician in the world, who must prove his power (if not his fitness to rule) in magical combat with his peers. In practice, once a Grand Sorcerer is seated it is very difficult to remove him – which doesn’t stop his peers from plotting his death from time to time. The Grand Sorcerer, the Caretaker (the head of the family that maintains the Golden City) and the Administrator (of the Peerless School) make up the three most powerful members of the Regency Council. Below them there are the Grand Dukes, who rule vast estates in their own right, and the Clergy.

The Grand Sorcerer, among his other powers and duties, is charged with appointing Court Wizards to the various small states that make up the Empire. This gives the Grand Sorcerer a great deal of influence over those states, with the Court Wizards both serving to uphold their masters and if necessary removing them from power. In effect, the magicians – and the Senior Mages in particular – use their positions to prevent any of the smaller states from attempting to consolidate their power and form more powerful states that might pose a threat to the status quo. (As Prussia did to Europe when it managed to consolidate Germany out of the German States.) This is tolerated by most of the lesser lords and nobles because the horrors of the First and Second Necromantic Wars were terrifying – rule by magicians, even indirect rule, being preferable to the nightmares unleashed by the Witch-King and his demonic brood.

With this in mind, the Grand Sorcerer is also the head of the Tribunal – a secret service that is charged with hunting down dark magicians. The Tribunal has vast powers and a near-legendary reputation, with its membership kept hidden in the shadows. Tribunal agents carry a form of identification if they need to prove their identity to outsiders, but they prefer to remain anonymous. It is generally speculated that the Tribunal also serves as a tool for the Grand Sorcerer to keep tabs on his subordinates.

The Empire makes no claim to be a homogenous entity. Outside the Golden City, living conditions vary wildly. Some states are effectively democratic, with only a small number of hereditary noblemen. Others are effective serf-states, with the noblemen ruling the state and the peasantry toiling in the fields. Education tends to range from near-complete education to almost no education outside the upper classes. The general technological level is around 1800, although there are some odd points. Magic gives the savants more understanding of the natural world than our version of 1800.

Unsurprisingly, the position of women (outside the magicians and clergy) is not generally regarded as equal to men. Some states have women with the right to own property, have a say in their own affairs and the right to divorce their husbands, other states regard women as effectively chattel – first belonging to their father, and then to their husband. Such states tend to kill female magicians as soon as their power manifests, or sell them into slavery.

There is no monotheistic religion. Instead, there are over nine thousand recognised gods, ranging from some known across the entire Empire to gods that belong to one city and town exclusively. Worshippers tend to worship two or three gods throughout their lives – clergy devote themselves to a single god and serve at his temples. Some magicians believe that ‘gods’ are really immensely powerful magical beings, but generally keep it to themselves. Believers can sometimes call upon the power of their gods to aid them.

Imps, goblins, and demons exist and can be summoned into the world. It is possible to make bargains with them, but they are tricky and generally seek to twist words to manipulate the magician who summoned them into compromising themselves.

There are also werewolves, vampires and other magical creatures. Many of them were pressed into service by the Witch-King, corrupted by his magic and exterminated in the wars, leaving only a handful of survivors in isolated states. They are generally treated as outcasts from human society, although a handful have managed to carve out places for themselves in the wider world. A werewolf can often get work as a bodyguard, or a blade for hire.

Children with magical talent, if discovered at a young age, are either taught by nearby teachers (hedge-wizards or witches) or sent to the Golden City’s Peerless School. There, they are educated and taught how to use their talent, setting themselves on the first step of a ladder that could reach all the way up to Grand Sorcerer. (In theory, the Senior Mages have the authority to dismiss a Grand Sorcerer, but the incumbent might not take kindly to being disposed. Once they have a new Grand Sorcerer, they’re stuck with him.) Once they graduate, most trained magicians will serve a term as a Court Wizard, Alchemist (researcher) or one of several other duties that repay the Peerless School for the expense in educating them.

Peerless School graduates swear the Mage’s Oath when they graduate, binding themselves to uphold the system that selects the Grand Sorcerer and keeps the peace within the Empire. Non-magicians swear oaths to their teachers, or simply don’t swear any at all. Notably, there are no provisions against using magic for darker purposes. It isn’t uncommon for magicians to use magic to harm, enslave or kill non-magicians. Those affected have little recourse, apart from peer pressure from their fellows.

The early magicians didn’t fully understand the workings of magic, accounting for a number of unpleasant warning stories passed down from generation to generation. Later magicians produced a domesticated form of magic that focused on developing one’s own natural potential to the highest possible level. This helped solve the problem of magical accidents where untrained magicians would harm themselves or others, as well as creating a common basis for spells that allowed the development of more powerful and focused spells (as opposed to instinctive magic worked by someone who didn’t really know what they were doing.)

In training, magicians learn the building blocks of spells, then how to create their own spells within their own minds. Some magicians never grasp how to create their own spells, permanently limiting their potential. Others push the boundaries too far and end up harming themselves. Once they master their magical abilities, they learn how to infuse magic into objects, prepare magic potions and other skills. A handful tend to be taken away by the Tribunal to work for it as investigators and trouble-shooters.

Certain kinds of magic are permanently banned. These generally revolve around necromancy, demons and attempting to boost one’s own magic potential, either through altering one’s brain or absorbing magic from willing or unwilling donors.

The Peerless School also plays host to the Great Library, the central repository for books relating to magic and magicians, including a number of tomes that have been banned (as relating to necromancy and other forbidden magic.) Most of the library is open to students and graduates of the Peerless School, but the forbidden tomes are locked away and can only be accessed with the permission of the Regency Council.

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13 Responses to “The World of Bookworm”

  1. The Deposed King February 17, 2012 at 4:06 am #

    It works. Different from where I was going with a more Urban Fantasy feel to mine.

    That said this sounds very interesting.

    A couple ideas. You say that people worship around 3 gods and priests worship only 1.

    I had this urban fantasy story I have kicking around in my head. It involved a sorcerer/shaman. He has his own magic and an affinity for the divine. However in his own words, he never saw the point of settling down and falling all over himself for a deity.

    So what he does is basically shamanistic mercenary work. (he’s too good hearted to really follow through with the gritty mercenary part, that intellectually he holds forth as the ideal)

    So he farms his services out to little proto-deities. Large spirits that are in a position to start accruing followers but just doesn’t have the moxy/juice to support a full time priestly type. So the shaman enters into a kind of business arrangement, where he helps out the deity (in my case a spirit who manifested as the jolly green giant on your non-functional TV screen and gave you access to sattelite TV even during magic surges that would wipe out your reception) and in return the little Deity shares his holy juice with him on a contractual basis. In my story even after the Shaman was no longer needed the relationship between small god and shaman meant hte little tyke kept our hero around as his high priest. And essentially the shaman was only working with him, although he held out the right to stay non-exclusive.

    This would help explain how things got started with so many deities.

    Then you sectret tribunal council reminds me of hte Venetian Political system

    Sometimes the Dodge had power firmly grasped in his hands (at least until he got too old) at other he was just one of the council of 10. The secret Council of Ten was a group of Senators who elected new members, voted off old ones who weren’t powerful enough anymore, and basically ran the secret police that kept venice safe, and almost always the new Dodge was a member of the council. What power he held in relation to them varied case to case.

    And while the Dodge was a life time appointment membership with the Ten most definitely wasn’t. The ten were also responsible for stopping foreign governments and agents as well as local home grown plots. up to including the Dodge.

    The Deposed king

  2. chrishanger February 17, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

    Well, I did think about going the urban route, but I wanted really powerful magic and that would have required too much handwaving. (Although I do want to do something urban sooner or later.)

    My thinking about religions was that things would be rather like the Roman/Greek approach – the existence of one parathion doesn’t invalidate the existence of others. Gods can be adopted by various states, or they might have the same gods with different names. Mars and Ares are the same name for the God of War, and so on. A person might feel a particular affinity for one deity or worship several, as he saw fit. Some cults would seek exclusive worship of a particular deity – something not unlike the Thugs of British India (and there are few groups more deserving of extermination).

    Priests would have particular links with specific gods. Some of them could channel the power of the gods, or get propaphies from their masters. One idea I have is that the gods aren’t entirely fixed to ‘now,’ so they get glimpses of possible futures that they can then pass on to their priests and oracles. Those futures can change depending upon the actions of humans (who can’t look into the futures without divine help), which leaves various gods meddling in the hopes of steering humanity towards greater worship – the more worship a god receives, the more power they have in the godly realm.

    Gods don’t act openly, apart from sending visions and the occasional miracle. There’s no actual godly Champions (although someone like Ceasar could certainly claim to be working for a particular god).

    I like your idea of the mercenary shaman. I assume he believes, but he doesn’t worship – if so, does his work consist of being a priest and encouraging others to worship? He’s a priest of one god one day, then another the next day, and so on…? If he does start working exclusively for one god, without intending it, he might be able to act without being worshipful. I have a vision of him having a chat with a god who doesn’t want to be worshipped all the time, or doing something that couldn’t be done by a true believer.

    On the politics, my general thought was that magic would equal power – and then I needed some reason for other political systems being weak (rather like the contrast between local government and national government in the UK). The Regency Council doesn’t always get along, but together they have most of the political, magical and economic power in the world (rather like the Security Council, but more ruthless).

    There are some other reasons for this. The Grand Sorcerer is both a very valid post and a way to distract magicians from trying to enhance their own powers (which tends to unbalance minds, creating Dark Lords and suchlike) or set up competing power structures. Not everyone is happy with this, but the wars were so horrific that almost anything seems better.

    Chris

  3. The Deposed King February 18, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    Vis-a-vis the Shaman. In addition to his straight wizarding abilities, he’s got the divine/spirit sense. So the gimick for him in my little story was, he would go outside his neighbrood. Run into little proto-deities, and if they were bad, he put the hex on em or just tried to avoid, if they were helpful and non-evil, he’d escort them back to places where they could do some good. In the case of joli-green the Shaman was going around offering to set up the neighborhood sattilite TV.

    He’s alread a wizard/sorcerer type so if he says he’s found a way to get them TV, even if its just some re-runs, in this magic overloaded area, the people tend to believe him. He tells them its all thanks to joli-green and a bit of his own crystal work. So he goes to their TV and constructs a crystal ‘antenna’, all they have to do is look at the TV and believe it will work thanks to their brand new Joli-green service provider. He sits there and demonstrates that it really does work. Maybe flowing a little divine juice into the thing, to over come any lingering doubts or disbelief that this is all a hoax. And voila! Rerun of voltron appears on screen.

    Seeing is believing. He’s made a point that joli-green with a small ‘g’ is the new first and only TV service provider that runs even when the magic is up and presto rearrango, the little deity has suddenly has as many followers as he can stretch his divine cable tv out to. I was thinking that maybe at first he had a limited selection of shows and maybe could only be up for an hour or so at a time. But this would be the ultimate in TV experiances. Your contract stipulates that you must have 3 or more individuals watching at one time and your TV is gauranteed to shut down as soon as you stop paying attention. This way your power bill will never go up. or something like that. Really the deity senses the lack of belief and since its using this power to keep things going, it only flows its own juice as necessary to run religious joli-green commercials. Where he plugs for himself and asks for new priests or for people to tell their friends about his cable service.

    Off the Shaman. My problem with your Grand Sorcerer and the limited power arrangement is that

    The Grand Sorcerer has direct control over the both the Tribunal and the Court Wizard appointments.

    While the Regency Council only seems to represent his main rivals for power. A big and powerful check, and a great Idea but other than that? They have no great sway in the city-states unless they are also doubling as court wizards and teleporting in for meeting and then their power is only in a specific city state.

    I think that you need one or two more checks and balances. For instance if the Grand Sorcerer is always the public head of the Tribunal but the Peerless Society, the Regency Council and some sort of Burecratic permanent member plus a few others round out the council and mean the Grand Sorcerer just can’t run rampant and witch hunt his rivals. If he’s one of ten or twelve then its a lot harder for him to stack the council without murder and intimidation or other underhanded deeds that would give the others time to make a move or two.

    Maybe your gods provide this check on the power of the Grand Sorcerer. Some sort of Divine Council. On second thought I don’t really like this idea. Maybe the divine coucil appoints a member to the Tribunal to look after their interests.

    Then with the Court Wizard thing, same thing. Maybe if the City State doesn’t have the right to pick but instead has the right to reject Court Wizards they find objectionable? Or the Peerless Society has the Senatorial Advise and Consent clause. Only the Grand Wizard can appoint but if the Peerless reject the selection the Grand Wizard has to pick another one until he finds someone they like.

    You could even have if be that Theoretically the Peerless Society is looking out for the best interests of the City State, but in reality they just use their power to help former staff and facility to get cushy retirement jobs and take bribes from local wizards trying to get into a court position.

    For your story you could throw a monkey into the thing. When the old peerless have been rejecting candidates for a small out of the way city-state and the City state is both naive and tired of it. They’ve got a crop blight problem they need dealed with yesterday. Believing hte Peerless society is the hold up, but supposedly looking out for their best interests they show up to ‘work with the Peerless’ to try and come up with an reasonable candidate. The Peerless try to be all false smiles and go about their business but the city-state representative, princess or prince or what have you, is naievely insistant. not realizing the politics and bribery going on behind the scenes. Or does and plays the naevety to the hilt.

    In the end everyone ticked at the little city state for throwing a wrench in the golen city works and in a fit of pique the currently semi-Feuding Peerless Society and Grand Sorcerer, thows them some magical mis-firing or barely passing just graduated candidate no one wants around in the city anymore.

    Something of that nature. Allowing us a window into how things really work inside the city. Through semi-naive and inexperienced eyes.

    In the usa the President has the ability to make ‘recess’ appointments and is pretty shamless about this kind of thing. But theoretically if the Senate refused to go into recess, he’d have to deal with them. And recess appointments are supposed to be reviewed with a year, they aren’t lifetime. If the peerless are threatening to for go vacation times between classes it might make a small disagreement start to loom into a big one. Its all politics as usual between themselves and the Grand Sorcerer until someone misses his vacation time and then its going to be game on. Turning a small disagreement into the sort of fued that could last for decades as instructors with tenure work their way up the scolastic ladder and cause this Grand Sorcerer more and more trouble.

    On the other hand new Court Wizard appointments don’t come along every day and he’s got plans to reward a few loyal supporters.

    Anyway a few ideas.

    The Deposed King

  4. The Deposed King February 18, 2012 at 12:31 am #

    With the Shaman I was thinking of it as his weekend and after hours job. His day job is as a magical security consultant. He does wards for homes and small businesses monday through friday. On weekends he’s on the clock for joli-green or whatever other little proto-deities need his time. But if someone in the neighborhood needs some help with their TV set he’s not objecting. I was thinking of it like, the little proto-deity got the divine juice and maybe they ?split? the 30 dollar monthly cable bill and instillation fees or whatever they are charging. So he’s making a little pocket money on the side.

    This plays into his mercenary nature. Instead of the local priest or church getting the ‘tithes or donations’ its going to him through a mercenary contract. Really if you take a step back I was actually going to have it be pretty much a mirror of how a full time priest whose god didn’t make enough to support him would be. And the Shaman eventually is effectively the priest of this little guy. He does everything a priest would do, he’s the public face of the clergy and what have you. Joli-green is even willing to allow non-exclusivity but our guy views himself as a wizard first and foremost and a part time shaman only because he’s got this divine ability he couldn’t supress or make go away.

    He’s involved because he feels he has to. not because this is where he wants to go in his life. I’m a street wizard with dreams of my own security consulting business man. I’m not some religious shill. I help the little guys survive because its the right thing to do and because it helps me stick a finger in the eyes of the big gods around the block, with their over bearing priests who wouldn’t lift a finger to help our neighborhood when times were tough. Now that we’re doing okay they want to set up a shrine in our area, get lost priestly, we’ve got our own little pantheon taking care of our religious problems.

    A street wizard with dreams of a small business. Street shaman that wishes his abilities didn’t exist but isn’t willing to pay the price and/or let some other magic user rip them out of his soul. I also had himm heavily involved with the local orphanage, saving lost kids and because of his own abilities mostly finding small homeless kids with minor magical talents. Whose parents had been killed in other blocks closer to the demon zone or whatever bad area. I was having were-wolves and a dragon running rampant behind a magical barrier to protect teh res of the city and he was originally cut off inside, because that’s where he used to live. So he goes near the border looking to help others like himself, even after they should all be years dead.

    Anyway I’m digressing heavily.

    However you do with it the mercenary Shaman-for-hire, with a semi-charlatan way of using his own sorceric magic to help his little proto-deities jump start the belief and follower cycle, so they can start producing some divine-faith-juice, is just a plain cool idea however you take and run with it.

  5. chrishanger February 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    Hum.

    Say that there is a magical world and a material world that are intersecting, but not quite in phase with each other. But many of the barriers between the two worlds have broken down, so many people are wrapped up in magical zones despite themselves. Because the laws of science are different in the magical world, tech starts to break down the further it gets into the boundary or fails altogether, depending on how advanced it is. If that just washed out over the world, there would be large zones where tech failed (like Dies the Fire), which would cause massive social upheaval. That could form part of your background.

    Then you have your shaman offering to make tech work inside the magical zone, in exchange for a semi-act of worship…it could make a neat story. Then you need a plot. Perhaps some back-to-nature types have been moving into the boundary and trying to set up settlements that don’t depend on modern tech. (Plenty of fools who want to do that, mainly because they haven’t tried it.) So they start turning against the shaman and his god. Or maybe a darker god starts trying to muscle in.

    Plenty of room for some fun here. I hope you’re going to write it.

    Back to the Bookworm…

    I wrote the Grand Sorcerer having a vast amount of power deliberately, because I had it that mages will constantly compete against each other right from the start. The whole power structure provides a way to get into power without actually destroying the basis of the state (like you become boss when you kill the last boss, but the system is the basis of your power so you don’t really want to change it.) I had the idea that it would prevent a repeat of the Necromantic Wars, which magicians and commoners alike would see as a Good Thing. The people who have the power to change the system end up enforcing it.

    Although the Regency Council does have ways to impede a dangerous Grand Sorcerer.
    They also have links to trading networks, finance houses and other organizations, so they’re not entirely powerless. Some of them are Court Wizards. But I take your point – sticking links between the Tribunal and the Peerless School gives them a check on witch-hunts (literally in this universe).

    The states don’t have the right to reject Court Wizards. They get selected by the Regency Council, partly because they’re quite important posts and because they’re meant to serve as a check on the aspirations of any noble dreaming of conquest. I’ll alter the appointments so that the Regency Council approves or rejects them, which lays the ground work for a great deal of horse-trading.

    Might be a fun idea to go with the naive wizard for a later book, but not this one. I had the core idea earlier, which ties in with the selection of the next Grand Sorcerer – not the heroine.

    Chris

  6. The Deposed King February 20, 2012 at 4:53 am #

    Sounds like you’ve got it locked up. I just got back online after a few days. So I’m not caught up on everything you’ve done yet like the prologue.

    As far as the Shaman making tech work in the magic… I honestly hadn’t decided that yet. I was kind of going off of the whole, advanced enough technology is indistinguishable from magic. Reverse that and lets get the TV going. Any advanced form of worship/magic is indistinguishable from technology.

    You believe your TV has the ability to project images on its screen, you believe your new Cable Guy has managed to hook you up inspite of the magical blockage. The little God flows a little juice and then starts projecting the illusions, using your belief to power the dratted thing. Your belief in the TV box and the cable company (divine cable or whatever) gets you basic cable. The little deity just skims a little off the top for his divine reserve.

    As for writing the actual story itself, yeah I think I need to. I’m just in the middle of the sequel to my first novel right now and need to get cracking and finish that one first.

    I was thinking to start out with some trouble with a Necromancer with some zombies and evil spirits, to showcase our guy’s shamanistic nature and then work our way up to some semi-powerful players passing through the territory, hiding out or what not, then move over to some Powerful and non-benign types moving into the area because its starting to light up on the divine juice producing scale.

    I like your idea of the Grand Sorcerer being the toughest guy around. Or at least the toughest guy who actually wants the title (leaves room for some reclusive hermit type that instructed his successors not to distrurb his research before wandering out into the desert)

    The Legend of Porticarius the Slightly Insane. You could even have a few Grand Sorcerers disappearing into the desert to beard Porticarius in his own lair and never returning. Modern sorcerers discount the Porticarius Legends, he’s probably dead, and those that don’t, point out its one thing to meet another sorcerer in a straight up duel, its another entirely to try and beard him in the heart of his own power.

    Or whatever. just reminded me of a gaming session with Spegal the Archmage. He was some dead wizard who made a staff and robes of the arch-magi. Long dead of course. But our wizard was desperately searching for something to cling to instead of the local guild (which was quite powerful). And so he started going around calling himself Spegal, and tying himself to the legend left on a rock, and growing it himself.

    Sorry for the digression. Anyway I think with just those two modifications, a lack of total control over the Tribunal and advice and consent by the Peerless Society, you have the explanation for why a Grand Sorcerer hasn’t become the another necromantic headcase. Maybe throw something into their founding documents that means the Grand Sorcerer is obligated to deal with any new Necromatic Lords that start cropping their heads up. and only the Grand Sorcerer or the Regency Council can declare there is a genuine Necromantic threat. that way he can’t just sit on his duff. It also allows for some politicing later. They could make a mountain out of a small necromatic molehill, and get him out of the city for a few days, while he is forced to deal with it.

    Anyway have a blast,

    The Deposed King

  7. chrishanger February 20, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    Actually, what we probably need is a Baen writer’s idea group, or something along those lines.

    I don’t know about the magic being indistinguishable from tech and vice versa. Something like a microwave oven will work for me even though I don’t know the principles – and the principles won’t change according to who looks at it. If we encounter an alien race we may not understand their technology at first, but I think that it would still be based in physical law and that we would eventually crack it. Of course, they might have something so advanced that we would have literally no ground even to begin to crack it (rather like a stealth fighter in Queen Elizabeth’s time) but it wouldn’t be magic.

    But magic would have different laws. Actually, many of the rules would seem to change based on circumstances. So entities might be able to do more than the human shamans. I’d love to see a story based on it, although I do have an idea for two scenes already.

    One: a harassed mom with three children, desperate for TV to keep them quiet, makes the deal.

    Two: the shaman walks away, content with his latest sale.

    Depends on which way you want to play it. You could have scene one as the prologue and then move into the overall story. Perhaps…

    The bad entity sees the TV scheme and has an idea. Instead of something as harmless as TV, he gives kids something that sucks on their soul. Maybe little acts of magic in exchange for worship. Perhaps a kid wants revenge – all it will cost him is his soul. Some interesting ideas here. I may do it if you don’t want to go this way.

    Back to Bookworm…

    I think there will be some isolated magicians who may be more powerful than the Grand Sorcerer. No one knows for sure as they don’t really talk to outsiders. The Grand Sorcerer does have most of the state backing him up and access to the Great Library, so he does have advantages beyond simply being the toughest guy on the block.

    I like the thought of one wizard pretending to be another. I may use that, if you don’t mind.

    Chris

  8. The Deposed King February 21, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    Yeah if you want to go with some wizard picking up the legend of another and running with it, or however you interpret it be my guest.

    I will say. The slush synopsis is supposed to be for those kinds of ideas. Unfortunately not a lot of people use it.

    That said. I’m not against the idea of forming a little idea group. Or a large one 🙂

    I’m open.

    The Deposed King

  9. chrishanger February 21, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    We’d just need a set of people willing to toss ideas about.

    Chris

  10. The Deposed King February 22, 2012 at 2:18 am #

    I’m game I just don’t know anybody. i suppose we could personally invite people like Drak the Dragon and Edith Maor and see what they say.

    I could invite some random people from the Jim Butcher forum in the author specific area but I don’t really know them too well and they have rules against posting direct story ideas there.

    The Hurog site are a little bit more. Well more. More insular, more picky and more willing to get a bit touchy about things and again I’m not sure if they would join.

    If you come up with some kind of game plan i’m willing to help out. Otherwise all I can offer are inviting random semi-strangers who are interested in writing and being a author.

    The Deposed King

  11. chrishanger February 22, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    I can certainly ask a few other writers and see what they say.

  12. The Deposed King February 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Where would we invite them? Are you thinking here or at the Baen site? In the Slush Synopsis? Or should we maybe post an invitation in the Synopsis?

    The Deposed King

  13. chrishanger February 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    I was thinking an email group, rather than the forum or a different discussion board. At least at first, I was thinking of inviting a few other writers I know. More of a brainstorming group than a critiquing group.

    Chris

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